Torture impairs ability to tell the truth

Southern Man said:
You must also realize the fact that these interrogations took place outside of US soil. T answer your question in this context, I don't suppose that foreigners in a foreign land have any such rights.
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The base in Gitmo is considered US Soil, just as is a US Embassy.

So try and answer the question in the context of it being US soil.
 
Southern Man said:
You must also realize the fact that these interrogations took place outside of US soil. T answer your question in this context, I don't suppose that foreigners in a foreign land have any such rights.
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so now you're contention is that the US government has no restrictions placed upon it outside the contiguous boundaries of the US?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

the bolded part must have been overruled due to the 15th Amendment because of the word 'citizen'?
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Excellent point.
 
Southern Man said:
You must also realize the fact that these interrogations took place outside of US soil. T answer your question in this context, I don't suppose that foreigners in a foreign land have any such rights.
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I really do believe that this whole thing is just a wag the dog. This is like the 4th time the O admin has trotted this whole thing out. Each time O was deflecting from his actual agenda. There will be NOTHING to come from this. Now act like good American's and stop paying attention to health care, his green initiative, and that GE has been sent to Russia right after he slapped Poland in the face....
 
SmarterThanYou said:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

the bolded part must have been overruled due to the 15th Amendment because of the word 'citizen'?
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There is no conflict. The bolded part restricts the States, not the federal government.
 
WinterBorn said:
The base in Gitmo is considered US Soil, just as is a US Embassy.

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No it's not:

Guantanamo Bay is a coastal area on southeastern Cuba occupied and controlled by the United States government pursuant to a 1903 Lease Agreement with the newly independent Republic of Cuba subsequent to the Spanish-American War. The Agreement established that:[5]

"the United States recognizes the continuance of the ultimate sovereignty of the Republic of Cuba over the [leased areas]," but "the Republic of Cuba consents that during the period of the occupation by the United States . . . the United States shall exercise complete jurisdiction and control over and within said areas."
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http://www.conservapedia.com/Guantanamo#cite_ref-rasul_4-0
 
Southern Man said:
There is no conflict. The bolded part restricts the States, not the federal government.
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and the 15th does what?

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

do you not see the failure of your logic here?

the 15th just guarantees the rights of citizens to VOTE. It doesn't retroactively deny non us citizens rights.
 
Southern Man said:
My contention is that the federal government is obligated to protect its citizens through its Army and Navy.
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nice deflection, but it doesn't answer the question.

since you complained about relevancy before, lets rephrase the question.

Is the federal government constrained by the limits outlined in the US Constitution in regards to actions performed outside the contiguous boundaries of the united states?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
and the 15th does what?

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

do you not see the failure of your logic here?

the 15th just guarantees the rights of citizens to VOTE. It doesn't retroactively deny non us citizens rights.
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I never claimed that.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
nice deflection, but it doesn't answer the question.

since you complained about relevancy before, lets rephrase the question.

Is the federal government constrained by the limits outlined in the US Constitution in regards to actions performed outside the contiguous boundaries of the united states?
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The US has broad powers to protect its borders and citizens from foreigners, including using military force.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
Is the federal government constrained by the limits outlined in the US Constitution in regards to actions performed outside the contiguous boundaries of the united states?
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The Constitution allows the government broad powers against foreigners intent on doing us harm.
 
Southern Man said:
The Constitution allows the government broad powers against foreigners intent on doing us harm.
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What does the US Constitution say about abiding by treaties and resolutions that we signed?

Of course, you have already claimed that we can ignore.
 
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