Top military comander in Iraq, contradicts Dixie!

what are the religious differences between the sunni and shiites? do you know offhand damo?

also, aren't hezbollah, shiites? aren't iranians? what were we thinking, longterm, when we planned to put the shiites in power....

I don't know the specific theological differences.

But bush didn't know the difference between shia and suni. At least before the war. That's on record.

I suspect many of his cheerleaders didn't either.
 
Care4all said:
what are the religious differences between the sunni and shiites? do you know offhand damo?
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Basically the Shi'a Muslims believe that their Imam is directly chosen by God and is therefore infallible (like the Pope), while the Sunnis hold no such belief. Thus Shi'a Muslims believe that edicts from the Imam are directly from God through his infallibility while the Sunnis hold that only the Koran and other writings from the Prophet are the only religious texts...

also, aren't hezbollah, shiites? aren't iranians? what were we thinking, longterm, when we planned to put the shiites in power....knowing they were the same tribe as the iranians? or were ''they'' not thinking?
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Probably Hizbollah are shiites and Iranians are mostly shiite...

didn't the cia back in the late 50's/60's help saddam rise to power to fight off the shiite control?

aren't all shiites really persians and not arabs? iran is primarily the old persia, right?
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Not all Shiites are Persians and not Arabs... They are a sect of a religion, like Protestants and Catholics...

i saw parts a history channel special on the rise of the Bath party and then saddam, and the middle east in general the other night and though i missed a great deal of it, i can honestly say that the middle east is a mess right now.....because of the BRITS! it is anyold's ancestor's fault! ;)
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Yeah, the Western world hasn't done real well there...
 
Jarod said:
So any recomendations on how the US should get out of this mess?
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I think we are in for the long haul regardless of whether we leave Iraq at this moment in time. Remember that this particular religion is in about the same stage as Christianity was back in the Middle Ages... It will take time for it to grow beyond that mentality. Basically we need to convince a Shiite Imam to teach peaceful resolution... This isn't going to happen by just walking away.
 
Damocles said:
Basically the Shi'a Muslims believe that their Imam is directly chosen by God and is therefore infallible (like the Pope), while the Sunnis hold no such belief. Thus Shi'a Muslims believe that edicts from the Imam are directly from God through his infallibility while the Sunnis hold that only the Koran and other writings from the Prophet are the only religious texts...



Probably Hizbollah are shiites and Iranians are mostly shiite...



Not all Shiites are Persians and not Arabs... They are a sect of a religion, like Protestants and Catholics...



Yeah, the Western world hasn't done real well there...
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I always learn a lot talking with Damo... Thanks.
 
Damocles said:
I think we are in for the long haul regardless of whether we leave Iraq at this moment in time. Remember that this particular religion is in about the same stage as Christianity was back in the Middle Ages... It will take time for it to grow beyond that mentality. Basically we need to convince a Shiite Imam to teach peaceful resolution... This isn't going to happen by just walking away.
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I agree, its one of the reasons I was against going in origionally, now I think we will be there for at least a generation. I just hope my new born son does not have to serve in Iraq due to the mistakes of those who voted for Bush. :mad:
 
Does it not make sense to say to the world community, oops, we should have listened to you... Sorry. Now we need help.

Then get the UN involved and get a multi-national force to promote and work toward a stable government in the region previously known as Iraq?

Lets make this a UN operation, spread the cost and liablity. We have done the same for others who made mistakes... Hell Vietnam was us basically bailing out the French...
 
Damocles said:
Must be using spellcheck... :D
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No, just spelling better lately... I dont know why, but I go through phases. Brain chemistry I guess.
 
Jarod said:
Does it not make sense to say to the world community, oops, we should have listened to you... Sorry. Now we need help.

Then get the UN involved and get a multi-national force to promote and work toward a stable government in the region previously known as Iraq?

Lets make this a UN operation, spread the cost and liablity. We have done the same for others who made mistakes... Hell Vietnam was us basically bailing out the French...
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I wish we had the foresight to include the French and others if only in their companies providing support... Contracts went only to US companies and this has made even this more difficult. It would be very difficult to hand this over to the UN now...
 
Damocles said:
I wish we had the foresight to include the French and others if only in their companies providing support... Contracts went only to US companies and this has made even this more difficult. It would be very difficult to hand this over to the UN now...
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Would it not be a simple matter of breaking some contracts and paying out some money in dammages? :cool: If it means saving lives and a quicker resolution to the catrosphe in Iraq...
 
Jarod said:
Would it not be a simple matter of breaking some contracts and paying out some money in dammages? :cool: If it means saving lives and a quicker resolution to the catrosphe in Iraq...
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If I were a French company I wouldn't want to muck around there right now...

It would have been far easier to let them bid at the beginning instead of trying to "punish" them for not helping us out...
 
Damocles said:
I wish we had the foresight to include the French and others if only in their companies providing support... Contracts went only to US companies and this has made even this more difficult. It would be very difficult to hand this over to the UN now...
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God bless you. Your a real internationalist and multi-lateralist. Something we need more of to suceed.

You almost sound like John Kerry or Joe Biden ;)
 
Damocles said:
If I were a French company I wouldn't want to muck around there right now...

It would have been far easier to let them bid at the beginning instead of trying to "punish" them for not helping us out...
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I agree on how it should have been run... but I am talking about going forward. There is money to be made by companies who help... I want them to be French if that helps our goal of fixing the HELL we have created for the people of Iraq. There are plenty of FRENCH or any other nationality willing to "muck around" Iraq if there is money to be made.
 
Jarod said:
I agree on how it should have been run... but I am talking about going forward. There is money to be made by companies who help... I want them to be French if that helps our goal of fixing the HELL we have created for the people of Iraq. There are plenty of FRENCH or any other nationality willing to "muck around" Iraq if there is money to be made.
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Then let them. That is a beginning, the first step to nationalizing this. The French and other governments would be more willing to nationalize the rebuilding if they had companies there to protect.
 
Isn't this odd? I could have SWORN that Dixie said that Iraq was quickly evolving into a vibrant pro-western democracy that would serve as a beacon of freedom that would beam its enlightening spirit into all the oppressive regimes in the middle east. I could have SWORN that Dixie routinely called anyone and everyone a treasonous traitor who even suggested for a moment that things weren't just totally peachy in Iraq....does that mean that Abezaid is a cut and run Al Qaeda sympathizer along with all the liberals on here?
 
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