Tom Ridge: I Was Pressured To Raise Terror Alert To Help Bush Win

ib1yysguy said:
I remember posting a graph correlating the Bush approval number dips with the increase in terror alerts and it match very well. I also remember Superfreak coming on and saying something retarded like, "You can statistically correlate anything you want! This doesn't mean anything! This doesn't prove they're increasing the terror alerts for political reasons11!"
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You are quite full of shit. I never said any such thing.
 
Superfreak said:
It was a US News BLOG.... not a piece. You know... one of those op-eds you like to quickly dismiss should it come from the Journal.
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I dismiss the ones that come from the Journal because they are full of shit. (Note: the latest one was only wrong about the size of the loan and its purpose, the only two facts in the damn thing). Did the US News get something wrong here? Did it misreport what Ridge's book says? If so, please alert me to that. Otherwise, piss off.
 
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Sure are a lot of those right before the election. That would tend to back up Ridge's story.
 
Damocles said:
The "source" is huffpo as much as the other source is the NYT. Hope that "helps".

At least once per day somebody brings huffp on the site and you bring silence, maybe once every other week somebody brings up a NYT editorial and you jump on it like a con on moveon...

Weak.
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Stupid .. No .. make that STUPID AS FUCK

The source is Tom Ridge.

HuffingtonPost is reporting what TOM RIDGE said.

Is that somehow beyond your comprehension?
 
Superfreak said:
Sorry, but due to the fact the article came from Huffington post, you should automatically state that and simply dismiss all content of the article based on the source.
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That's a valid point. Huffy is hardly a credible source. Might as well source the national review, WSJ, or the Daily KOS. However, I might have to check out Mr. Ridges book. I have a lot of respect for Tom Ridge.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's a valid point. Huffy is hardly a credible source. Might as well source the national review, WSJ, or the Daily KOS. However, I might have to check out Mr. Ridges book. I have a lot of respect for Tom Ridge.
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yeah, I was mocking Dung's dismissal of the WSJ op-ed piece based entirely on the fact that it was the WSJ op-ed.
 
Okay, I think I get it. To conservtards, every source is made equal. They're so used to watching Fox that they think they can't trust anyone.

So when Dung points out in another thread that the op ed from the Wall Street Journal got the two most important facts of the story absolutely incorrect, Damo hops on here to accuse Huff Post of being incredible without even attempting to point out where a fact was misstated/incorrect.

These idiots pull this falls parity shit all the time. Yurt was trying to make the case a day ago that Obama saying that it's scary to do nothing with healthcare was the same kind of fearmongering we were hearing from the right about killing grandmas, infirm babies, paying for abortions, paying for illegal aliens, and killing Santa Clause.
 
Superfreak said:
yeah, I was mocking Dung's dismissal of the WSJ op-ed piece based entirely on the fact that it was the WSJ op-ed.
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He dismissed it because it got the two facts of the editorial completely wrong, which pretty much proves that it's not a credible source.
 
Onceler said:
Look at the righties go immediately into full-blown distraction mode by focusing on source and trying to pre-emptively nail anyone who sees the merit in what Tom Ridge is actually saying with some sort of "well, you criticize sources too!" gotcha.

It's weak & predictable, but man, did they learn their lessons well during the Bush years.

This is just more evidence, more proof, more verification of what we already know, and the systematic approach the Bush admin took to misinformation & deception. It's BS, and WTF Damo & SF...WTF. How can something like this not make you at least set aside some pause for thought.
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I see nothing wrong with attacking a source when they have demonstrated to be unreliable of that they have an agenda the precludes objectivity. I hear it all the time about Faux News, Old Lard Ass Limbaugh and Hand Job Hannity. Why not the same skepticism for Air Head Arianne?
 
Damocles said:
Whatev', It is clear you did not avail yourself of your education and actually read the words of the thread. Now, participate or dig deeper, I really don't care. I'm holding a conversation about Ridge and the effectiveness of the "Terror Alerts", you are here trying to explain why this particular huffpo link isn't really a huffpo link.
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Aw, bullshit.

You're just doing your same ol' support of moronic thought to keep the neocons happy routine.

Fortunately, I don't believe you are as dumb as you like to appear to be.

First, you challenge the source .. then admit, "I thought this was the case all along."

EVERYONE KNEW THIS WAS THE CASE .. even many republicans.

The thread .. which I created .. is about TOM RIDGE admitting he raised terror alerts for political purposes .. it is not about the effectiveness of terror alerts .. that just the crap you're hiding behind.
 
Dungheap said:
Interesting theory. So the Huffington Post piece, which provided a link to the US News piece, was actually the source for the US News piece that was linked to in the HuffPo piece?
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. . and there is no book and even if there is, Ridge is the Devil himself and cannot be trusted because it's only for money. Move over Scot McLellan, Joe Wilson, etc., you've got company.
Ridge hinted at this when he resigned. It's not the silliness of the color system that's important, it's that anybody could be low enough to use it to frighten the people for political purposes. However, when 'certain people' are involved, nothing is a surprise.
 
Damocles said:
It's not even that. It's less than that, nobody is alarmed by it. Even if Ridge did this supposedly to gain votes for Bush it would have been extremely ineffective. Do you remember the discussions of that time? We constantly spoke about how weak and obvious this was.
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I hear ya, you have a good point but it still does shed light into the corruption and ineptitude of the Bush administration. I give Tom Ridge credit for resigning instead of allowing his good offices to be manipulated for politcal gain.
 
ib1yysguy said:
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Sure are a lot of those right before the election. That would tend to back up Ridge's story.
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lol... yes, there were a lot during the summer of 2004. But what happened in August-October. Your chart stops. Also, take a look at the last several and you will see that there wasn't a corresponding increase in approval ratings.

and no, I do not remember ever seeing this chart before.
 
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