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Awhile back you mentioned in a thread that the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" has benefited you personally. I am curious, exactly how has it benefited you?

Please be assured that I am not trying to provoke you in any way; I'm merely interested in engaging in a reasonable discussion about the 'pros' and 'cons' of the health care reform act.
 
evince said:
when the American people have these things they will never want to give them up
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I don't, I may always be able to buy insurance now! It closes the donut hole for Medicare!

I heard a small business owner on Colbert, I believe and she loves the changes! Her company manufactures marbles and is the only one left in the USA.
 
evince said:
when the American people have these things they will never want to give them up
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Which is a weak argument, considering giving the people anything at all will be something they won't want to give up.

The better argument is, this will benefit the people because X...
 
Threedee said:
Which is a weak argument, considering giving the people anything at all will be something they won't want to give up.

The better argument is, this will benefit the people because X...
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I'll start.

"This will benefit the people because no one with a pre-existing condition will be denied coverage".
 
Thanks for the input. Now I will share my experience with the new health care legislation. Last week, my employer informed me that I may have to start paying part of my health insurance premium due to increased costs associated with health care legislation. So much for "Affordable Care Act."
 
christiefan915 said:
I'll start.

"This will benefit the people because no one with a pre-existing condition will be denied coverage".
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Con: Every time we have added a layer of 'guaranteed' coverage, costs of health care premiums for EVERYONE have escalated.

A better approach would be to have everyone get qualified on their own (like we did in the days prior to the insane escalation) and then purchase catastrophic coverage (ie... anything in excess of $3k or $5k etc... depending on ones' income level).

Make all the obese people pay the higher premiums that they should be paying.

For those with Cancer/alzheimers etc... that do not have a cure that would not qualify on their own.... Create a government plan for THEM.

As long as you pretend it is 'free' ie... money is not coming out of the pocket of the individual each visit (not talking $20 co pays either) they are going to tend to abuse the system.
 
christiefan915 said:
I'll start.

"This will benefit the people because no one with a pre-existing condition will be denied coverage".
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That only benefits the person with the pre-existing condition. Paying more for the same coverage does not help persons who would have had lower premiums had the person with the pre-existing condition paid the real cost of their insurance.

I know you only want to see that someone who used to get screwed is not getting screwed anymore, but you refuse to see the cost is placed on everyone else
 
Superfreak said:
Con: Every time we have added a layer of 'guaranteed' coverage, costs of health care premiums for EVERYONE have escalated.

A better approach would be to have everyone get qualified on their own (like we did in the days prior to the insane escalation) and then purchase catastrophic coverage (ie... anything in excess of $3k or $5k etc... depending on ones' income level).

Make all the obese people pay the higher premiums that they should be paying.

For those with Cancer/alzheimers etc... that do not have a cure that would not qualify on their own.... Create a government plan for THEM.

As long as you pretend it is 'free' ie... money is not coming out of the pocket of the individual each visit (not talking $20 co pays either) they are going to tend to abuse the system.
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May I say on behalf of cancer survivors everywhere, we thank you for the overwhelming concern you show for us with your suggestion.

Weed out the incurables just so your costs stay low...truly the epitome of human kindness.
 
evince said:
when the American people have these things they will never want to give them up
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Because we've become to used to instant gratification and asking, "What can the government do for me today?"

BTW - I disagree with your assessment.
 
tinfoil said:
That only benefits the person with the pre-existing condition. Paying more for the same coverage does not help persons who would have had lower premiums had the person with the pre-existing condition paid the real cost of their insurance.

I know you only want to see that someone who used to get screwed is not getting screwed anymore, but you refuse to see the cost is placed on everyone else
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So what do you think we should? Let them die?

It's going to cost money to keep people alive. That was established from the start of things.
 
Damocles said:
Because we've become to used to instant gratification and asking, "What can the government do for me today?"

BTW - I disagree with your assessment.
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That single mother wants ME to keep her child from dying of leukemia? PFFFFFTTT. Free market, bitch. Make more money in your next life.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
May I say on behalf of cancer survivors everywhere, we thank you for the overwhelming concern you show for us with your suggestion.

Weed out the incurables just so your costs stay low...truly the epitome of human kindness.
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Uhh, YEAH!!!! We don't all have mansions, two SUVs, summer homes, yachts, and private jets.
 
Watermarx said:
That single mother wants ME to keep her child from dying of leukemia? PFFFFFTTT. Free market, bitch. Make more money in your next life.
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Which doesn't change that in order to keep her child dying from leukemia it doesn't take making my coverage suck. It would have been far cheaper and less intrusive to simply cover the people who weren't covered like he promised instead of working to make everybody's coverage equally sucky or so expensive that only the very rich can afford better coverage while STILL not covering many people (according to the CBO estimates 5% or more will STILL not be covered in 2020.)
 
Damocles said:
Which doesn't change that in order to keep her child dying from leukemia it doesn't take making my coverage suck. It would have been far cheaper and less intrusive to simply cover the people who weren't covered like he promised instead of working to make everybody's coverage equally sucky or so expensive that only the very rich can afford better coverage while STILL not covering many people (according to the CBO estimates 5% or more will STILL not be covered in 2020.)
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What they're doing is taking money from those who are just barely getting by and therefore making it impossible for them to retain the coverage they have, because of the cost, and therefore they have to take the Government supplied coverage.
Which of course will then be used by the left, to try and say:
"Just look at everyone who had their own insurance and have now voluntarially changed over to the new plan".
 
ZappasGuitar said:
May I say on behalf of cancer survivors everywhere, we thank you for the overwhelming concern you show for us with your suggestion.

Weed out the incurables just so your costs stay low...truly the epitome of human kindness.
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Obviously you are incapable of comprehending what I wrote. I clearly stated that for those with an illness that precluded them from getting coverage on their own.... THEY should develop a government plan for them.

Make everyone ELSE pay for their own.
 
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