To Damocles

Aoxomoxoa said:
If you want a real fucking disaster then you need to get a crooked bunch of bastard Yank cowboys like Occidental involved, as with Piper Alpha. Never mind though, the 179 people killed weren't Yanks so who gives a shit?

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It's awful early for you to be so angry, are you little off of your feed today?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
The settlement was not anywhere near enough, Dow bought the liabilities as well as the assets of Union Carbide. Many people have died or sustained genetic defects since the 1989 settlement which were never taken account of back then, as well as the huge environmental damage. Are you really telling me that settlements in the US are never revisited in the light of knowledge not available at the time?

As for Agent Orange I refer you to the following from Wiki, please note that neither the US government or Dow and Monsanto have paid anything to the Vietnamese victims.
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Didn't Dow warn the State Department on its toxcicity and didn't the State Department warn Kennedy that it was toxic to humans, but didn't Kennedy authorize its use, anyway? I have to agree with Superfreak on this one Tom, seems it was a deadly call by Kennedy, supported by the military. Dow could have refused to sell it to the government.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Our criminal oil and chemical companies pay fair compensation. Whereas, in the case of Dow's wholly owned subsidiary Union Carbide they paid a relative pittance for killing 25,000 people and injuring half a million, they also paid fuck all for Agent Orange. Occidental only killed 179 people and fucked off out of the country as quick as they could.

Topspin couldn't paddle his fucking canoe and he's never stopped bellyaching since.
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And you keep ignoring the FACT that Dow was not the owner of Union Carbide, at the time of the accident.

If someone who owns a car runs over a pedistrian, but didn't have enough insurance to cover all of the pedistrians bills; does this mean that the if the car is sold, that the new owner now must also be responsible for what the first owner did?
 
Damocles said:
One thing I noticed.. This "wind spill" explosion didn't seem to kill a bunch of fish and make me suspicious of the shrimp in my dinner at the restaurant.

While it is exceedingly inefficient, even though it exploded into flames while it was doing what it was supposed to do (something we should avoid in our new technology as much as possible) it was a bit less dangerous than a huge oil spill.
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Are we sure that it was the turbine exploding.
Someone could sugggest that it was it my a meteor; because it looks like a second one is targeting the tower.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
The settlement was not anywhere near enough, Dow bought the liabilities as well as the assets of Union Carbide. Many people have died or sustained genetic defects since the 1989 settlement which were never taken account of back then, as well as the huge environmental damage. Are you really telling me that settlements in the US are never revisited in the light of knowledge not available at the time?

As for Agent Orange I refer you to the following from Wiki, please note that neither the US government or Dow and Monsanto have paid anything to the Vietnamese victims.
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There was no "liability" for Dow to own, since a SETTLEMENT HAD ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED.
You can't go back and revisit a settlement and force the new owners to be responsible.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Are we sure that it was the turbine exploding.
Someone could sugggest that it was it my a meteor; because it looks like a second one is targeting the tower.
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It was put in freewheel mode because the winds were too strong, however there was a problem with braking mechanism which caused it to overheat.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
There was no "liability" for Dow to own, since a SETTLEMENT HAD ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED.
You can't go back and revisit a settlement and force the new owners to be responsible.
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If that had happened in the US, they would still be arguing about it into the next century and there still wouldn't be enough money to pay compensation. If you think that $400 million is adequate compensation for 25,000 lives lost and 500,000 injuries then I don't believe you.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
If that had happened in the US, they would still be arguing about it into the next century and there still wouldn't be enough money to pay compensation. If you think that $400 million is adequate compensation for 25,000 lives lost and 500,000 injuries then I don't believe you.
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First off; pull that self-righteous stick out of your ass and read what is written, not what you think was written.
Where did I say that I felt the settlement was adequate?
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Your projection of what would have happened, in the US, is just that; projection.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
First off; pull that self-righteous stick out of your ass and read what is written, not what you think was written.
Where did I say that I felt the settlement was adequate?
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Your projection of what would have happened, in the US, is just that; projection.
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It's based on observation of the hysteria that surrounded the events in the Gulf last year and that was for eleven people dead.

If you wanted to say that you agree that it was an unfair settlement, you could of just said so without having it dragged out of you. :)
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
It's based on observation of the hysteria that surrounded the events in the Gulf last year and that was for eleven people dead.

If you wanted to say that you agree that it was an unfair settlement, you could of just said so without having it dragged out of you. :)
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You have also arrived at an erroneous conclusion; because I never said it was inadequate (your word "unfair") either.
A settlement was reached and that's it. Period.
As to your inclusion of last years Guld incident, was it settled; because every situation has it's own conclusion and DOW has no responsibility in the India accident.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You have also arrived at an erroneous conclusion; because I never said it was inadequate (your word "unfair") either.
A settlement was reached and that's it. Period.
As to your inclusion of last years Guld incident, was it settled; because every situation has it's own conclusion and DOW has no responsibility in the India accident.
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I'm sorry but I don't agree, when somebody like Dow takes over another company they also inherit the liabilities. Here is a good example of how an US corporation discharges its obligations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/nort...ctims_asbestosis_rochdale_turner_newall.shtml
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I'm sorry but I don't agree, when somebody like Dow takes over another company they also inherit the liabilities. Here is a good example of how an US corporation discharges its obligations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/nort...ctims_asbestosis_rochdale_turner_newall.shtml
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Do you own a house?
Did you take on all the debts that the previous owner had, when you bought it?
Dow bought the controlling interest, after the settlement had been reached. They are not responsible, unless it was included in the buy out contract.
 
Word
I railed against Exxon in Alaska more than anyone on this board. You must have been gone.
I am a BP investor now and hope they have adopted a more American like safety culture and love for the environment.
 
The Dude said:
Word
I railed against Exxon in Alaska more than anyone on this board. You must have been gone.
I am a BP investor now and hope they have adopted a more American like safety culture and love for the environment.
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But that is the whole point that I've been trying to make all along. This American safety culture that you refer to doesn't seem to extend beyond your shores where you do whatever the fuck that you like and then try to avoid paying decent compensation especially when brown people are involved.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
But that is the whole point that I've been trying to make all along. This American safety culture that you refer to doesn't seem to extend beyond your shores where you do whatever the fuck that you like and then try to avoid paying decent compensation especially when brown people are involved.
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Well, I agree with that.
 
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