Time for a Truth Slap

Return of Dune said:
This is not a debate.
This is one logical person refuting racist lies.

Thanks Superfreak.
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She does have a point in stating that non of us can say for certain how MLK would respond to the issue. Her belief is that his churches belief system would have trumped his positions on equality and discrimination. Mine is the reverse. Obviously you and I believe he would not turn his back on his personal convictions and what he so adamantly fought for. That said, I do understand that the predominant view within the Southern Baptist church system is one that does not condone homosexuality.
 
Superfreak said:
Yes, a baptist minister in the south who championed EQUALITY, who spent and gave his life fighting to END DISCRIMINATION. so yes, I will laugh.
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Numerous black leaders within the religious community do not see homosexual marriage as a discriminatory issue. No matter how much you insist that they are equal to one another, it remains a matter of opinion- not fact. Likewise it is only your opinion what position MLK Jr. would have. Based on his religious convictions, and that of his church, I say that he would not support homosexual marriage. That is not equal to him being homophobic or hating someone due to their homosexuality- only that as a man of God he would not support a matrimonial union.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
just out of curiosity, what make Harry Belefonte more credible on civil rights than Alveda King.....did someone step on his microphone during a concert?......
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Stop being such an enormous tit, just for once, and use a frigging search engine before you spout a load of crap!!

http://www.nps.gov/features/malu/feat0002/wof/Harold_Belafonte.htm

[url]http://www.northjersey.com/arts_entertainment/131965048_His_song__his_life__a_gift_for_all_mankind.html
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icedancer2theend said:
Numerous black leaders within the religious community do not see homosexual marriage as a discriminatory issue. No matter how much you insist that they are equal to one another, it remains a matter of opinion- not fact. Likewise it is only your opinion what position MLK Jr. would have. Based on his religious convictions, and that of his church, I say that he would not support homosexual marriage. That is not equal to him being homophobic or hating someone due to their homosexuality- only that as a man of God he would not support a matrimonial union.
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That's just a load of bull, I would imagine that if you asked just about anybody in the early to mid 60s if they supported gay marriage they would have thought you were mad.
 
Superfreak said:
It is not a leftest idea. It is essentially mainstream line of thought today. It is predominantly the far right that wishes to continue the discrimination because they feel 'threatened' by the 'gays'. Yet not ONE that I have ever seen can tell me how it is that a gay couple being married somehow weakens a straight couple marriage. Is gay marriage going to result in the average divorce rate going from the current 50% to say 49.9%?
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It's about definition. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There is no such thing as marriage with people of the same sex. No one is denying anyone "rights". That's silly.
 
Black democrats in Cali helped kill the issue, democrats should focus that effort on the much larger issue of prohibition.
 
Superfreak said:
Yes, a baptist minister in the south who championed EQUALITY, who spent and gave his life fighting to END DISCRIMINATION. so yes, I will laugh.
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Yes, MLK championed EQALITY and to END DISCRIMINATION of Black people and establish their civil rights. They still had to be a male and a female to get married. You're confused.
 
Alias said:
It's about definition. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There is no such thing as marriage with people of the same sex. No one is denying anyone "rights". That's silly.
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It's the 21st century, get with the program.

mar·riage
   /ˈmærɪdʒ/ Show Spelled[mar-ij] Show IPA
noun
1.
a.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.
b.
a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage. Antonyms: separation.
2.
the state, condition, or relationship of being married; wedlock: a happy marriage. Synonyms: matrimony. Antonyms: single life, bachelorhood, spinsterhood, singleness; separation.
3.
the legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of two people to live as a married couple, including the accompanying social festivities: to officiate at a marriage. Synonyms: nuptials, marriage ceremony, wedding. Antonyms: divorce, annulment.
4.
a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction: trial marriage.
5.
any close or intimate association or union: the marriage of words and music in a hit song. Synonyms: blend, merger, unity, oneness; alliance, confederation. Antonyms: separation, division, disunion, schism.
 
DamnYankee said:
Same thing.
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I don't remember my choice day. I always liked girls, always. There was never even a "cootie" moment for me. Other boys might play the cootie game but I liked girls and never played that. Seriously, when did you sit and decide that you were going to be "straight"? How long did it take for you to make the choice? Did you agonize over it? Did you look at Bob, then at Charissa, then back to Bob and say, "Geez, I just don't know which one excites me!"?

Let's say the roles were reversed and the bible said that you should be gay, would you even be able to get it up for some dude or would you be relegated to the role of bottom?

I'll never get people who think that gay men just "decided" to like the hairy grossly shaped man body.

I'll be frank. I've never been able to look at a guy and say, "Wow, he's good looking!" I can't. I don't know what girls see in us, but THANK THE GODS they see something that they like when they look at that no-hipped wrongly curved body!
 
Damocles said:
I don't remember my choice day. I always liked girls, always. There was never even a "cootie" moment for me. Other boys might play the cootie game but I liked girls and never played that. Seriously, when did you sit and decide that you were going to be "straight"? How long did it take for you to make the choice? Did you agonize over it? Did you look at Bob, then at Charissa, then back to Bob and say, "Geez, I just don't know which one excites me!"?

Let's say the roles were reversed and the bible said that you should be gay, would you even be able to get it up for some dude or would you be relegated to the role of bottom?

I'll never get people who think that gay men just "decided" to like the hairy grossly shaped man body.

I'll be frank. I've never been able to look at a guy and say, "Wow, he's good looking!" I can't. I don't know what girls see in us, but THANK THE GODS they see something that they like when they look at that no-hipped wrongly curved body!
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while i tend to agree with you, i studied photography in college and did some professional photography, this requires that, as an artist, the ability to soo the attraction in both men and women in order to photograph their 'good side'

having said that, i do prefer women to men, however, not all men are hairy

beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i can find beauty in many people and not just physical beauty - even when she was gravely ill and dying i loved my wife
 
icedancer2theend said:
I am not the one who first interjected him into the discussion, why didn't you notice that?
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That's true but you did say this though.

Numerous black leaders within the religious community do not see homosexual marriage as a discriminatory issue. No matter how much you insist that they are equal to one another, it remains a matter of opinion- not fact. Likewise it is only your opinion what position MLK Jr. would have. Based on his religious convictions, and that of his church, I say that he would not support homosexual marriage. That is not equal to him being homophobic or hating someone due to their homosexuality- only that as a man of God he would not support a matrimonial union.
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My point is that homosexuality was looked on very differently in the 60s to now, well except for some parts of the South where their mindset is still in the 1860s not the 1960s.
 
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