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Talk about a meltdown, was your Friday cocktail canceled? Jeebus, you are a jerk today.

At least we know now you fully supported the Iraq War and the Bush administration.

I am fully aware of Obama's crimes. This thread is about Bush but nice try at changing the subject.

I see you are on full repugnant moron mode today. No shocker here.
 
Talk about a meltdown, was your Friday cocktail canceled? Jeebus, you are a jerk today.

At least we know now you fully supported the Iraq War and the Bush administration.

I am fully aware of Obama's crimes. This thread is about Bush but nice try at changing the subject.

LMAO... fully supported? Um... ok.
 
PROVE this claim with facts


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
 
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CIA assessment October 2002:

Key Judgments

Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs

Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.

Baghdad hides large portions of Iraq's WMD efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information.

Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.

•Iraq's growing ability to sell oil illicitly increases Baghdad's capabilities to finance WMD programs; annual earnings in cash and goods have more than quadrupled.
•Iraq largely has rebuilt missile and biological weapons facilities damaged during Operation Desert Fox and has expanded its chemical and biological infrastructure under the cover of civilian production.
•Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.
•Although Saddam probably does not yet have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them.

How quickly Iraq will obtain its first nuclear weapon depends on when it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.

•If Baghdad acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year.
•Without such material from abroad, Iraq probably would not be able to make a weapon until the last half of the decade.
•Iraq's aggressive attempts to obtain proscribed high-strength aluminum tubes are of significant concern. All intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons and that these tubes could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program. Most intelligence specialists assess this to be the intended use, but some believe that these tubes are probably intended for conventional weapons programs.
•Based on tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire, a few tens of thousands of centrifuges would be capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium for a couple of weapons per year.

Baghdad has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, cyclosarin, and VX. Its capability was reduced during the UNSCOM inspections and is probably more limited now than it was at the time of the Gulf war, although VX production and agent storage life probably have been improved.

•Saddam probably has stocked a few hundred metric tons of CW agents.
•The Iraqis have experience in manufacturing CW bombs, artillery rockets, and projectiles, and probably possess CW bulk fills for SRBM warheads, including for a limited number of covertly stored, extended-range Scuds.


https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm

Now run along you uninformed lunatic leftist twit.
 
This is the most repugnant and stupid claim any leftist can make. And you morons wonder why you get insulted when you make such repugnantly stupid caims.

But even when some of the Democrat morons brought this up when hey had both houses of Congress and the White House, their counterparts refused knowing how idiotic such a circus would be without any evidence.

War crimes? You truly are a repugnant fool.

Don't forget; but along with this, our resident liberals still believe that Zimmerman got out of his car AFTER being told not to. :palm:
 
Don't forget; but along with this, our resident liberals still believe that Zimmerman got out of his car AFTER being told not to. :palm:

It's incredible; but even so, claiming that Bush should be tried as a war criminal has to be the most ignorant, repugnant piece of stupidity ever uttered by a brain dead leftist.

That is how repugnant, stupid and hateful these dunces are. How can anyone expect to be taken seriously are be treated with respect when they make such moronic comments?
 
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source


But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,....Bush lied ! lmao!
 
same tired old list that righties have spammed the internet with since it became clear to them that they really didn't WANT the Iraq war to be their failure alone.

Only ONE of those democrats (Al Gore after he left office) ever said that there was absolute certainty that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's. None of those democrats tried to convince America that Saddam and OBL had been in cahoots before 9/11 like Cheney definitely tried to do. Absolute certainty of stockpiles (lie) conflated with a pre-9/11 alliance between Iraq and AQ (another lie) created the immediacy that Bush used to scare America into supporting the invasion of Iraq.
 
same tired old list that righties have spammed the internet with since it became clear to them that they really didn't WANT the Iraq war to be their failure alone.

Only ONE of those democrats (Al Gore after he left office) ever said that there was absolute certainty that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's. None of those democrats tried to convince America that Saddam and OBL had been in cahoots before 9/11 like Cheney definitely tried to do. Absolute certainty of stockpiles (lie) conflated with a pre-9/11 alliance between Iraq and AQ (another lie) created the immediacy that Bush used to scare America into supporting the invasion of Iraq.

Same old tired bullshit pretending that these Democrats didn't think the same thing Bush did.

Translation for those who don't know you; you're a dishonest buffoon stuck on that special brand of stupid which prevents you from admitting you’re a lying dumbass who seldom cares about the truth, facts or honesty.

I also posted the CIA analysis done in October 2002 that basically was the source for Bush, Democrat leaders and 36 other world leaders who believed the same evidence.

But you're a rabidly stupid hyper partisan moron stuck permanently on stupid who will go on claiming Bush lied no matter how many times you get beat over the head with the facts; because you really are THAT fucking stupid.

Carry on Comrade shit-for-brains.
 
Only ONE of those democrats (Al Gore after he left office) ever said that there was absolute certainty that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's.

How uncertain are these Democrats shit-for-brains?

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source


Yep, I can see a whole lot of uncertainty there. Dunce.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source


Yep, nothing BUT uncertainty here right Dunce?

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source


Yep, more uncertainty right Dunce?

The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source


OMG, look at all the uncertainty in this comment Dunce!!!

Lets be honest here, the special brand of stupid you bring to this forum can only be exceeded by the lunatic Evince. Other than her, you have no peers you dishonest dumbass.

Carry on Comrade shit-for-brains.
 
This isn't a documentary; it's a leftist puff piece that still requires the willing suspension of disbelief. Rachel Madcow is a dedicated and determined leftist.

Comparing the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution to the Joint Resolution is about as credible as comparing the tactics used in both wars.

You dunces are the most laughably stupid people on the planet to so willingly swill such leftist brand kool-aid in a vacuum of reality or the facts.

In order to swill Rachels special brand of stupid, we need to pretend that Saddam had not defied UN resolutions for a decade, invaded a peaceful neighbor and member of the UN, had never used WMDs in the past, posed a threat to the region and most importantly, pretend that 9-11 never happened that changed forever geopolitical opinion in the region forever; unless of course you are a gullible irrational Bush hating AmeriKa hating leftist dunce.

Maddow just presented the evidence, she didn't write the book.

You need a shunt to treat that swelled head of yours.
 
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How uncertain are these Democrats shit-for-brains?

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source


Yep, I can see a whole lot of uncertainty there. Dunce.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source


Yep, nothing BUT uncertainty here right Dunce?

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source


Yep, more uncertainty right Dunce?

The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source


OMG, look at all the uncertainty in this comment Dunce!!!

Lets be honest here, the special brand of stupid you bring to this forum can only be exceeded by the lunatic Evince. Other than her, you have no peers you dishonest dumbass.

Carry on Comrade shit-for-brains.

How about providing context for those quotes?
 
Can you guys take this to a new thread? Some of us are eagerly awaiting this new proof of why we went to war. It is going to be groundbreaking... so SHHHHH.

the day I even contemplate SHHHHHing because you told me to will be a day where my first preference would be a root canal.
 
How about providing context for those quotes?

and yet none of those quotes speak with absolute certainty about Saddam actually owning stockpiles of WMD's. Politicians are very good at choosing their words carefully. Morons like TD are not very good at comprehending the nuances of the language beyond the My Weekly Reader level.

Again... Team Bush told us with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that Saddam had piles of weapons of mass destruction. (which was a lie). Team Bush ALSO told us that Muhammed Atta had met with Saddam's intelligence agents in Prague BEFORE 9/11 (also a lie) pointing to the obvious conclusion that Saddam and OBL were in cahoots even prior to the attacks on the WTC/Pentagon. SOOOO... it's ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Saddam has stockpiles of WMD's (what the hell did we even NEED old Hans Blix in there for????) and Saddam was allied with Osama.... heck, the next plane over could crash into Cleveland and the smoking gun would be a mushroom cloud! We couldn't WAIT for Blix to tell us what we were already ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of! We had to attack NOW! YIKES!!! MUSHROOM CLOUDS!!! YIKES!!!! BE VEWY VEWY AFWAID!!!!! Now THAT'S what I call "leadership"! lol
 
the day I even contemplate SHHHHHing because you told me to will be a day where my first preference would be a root canal.

Of course you won't shush; that would make you look intelligent. And why ruin all the effort you have put into removing any doubt what a repugnant dishonest leftist fool you are?

:thisisgettinggood:
 
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