PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
Bush made the decision on his own and actually drove the first tank across the border....the rest of the Army only went along to pick up litter.....
Thursday at 9 on MSNBC the truth will be told
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Yeah right Commander shit-for-brains; you're all for honest intellectual civil debate. You might want to read my signature again.
Nothing more amusing than watching two dimwits in a circle jerk about civility acting like grade school twits engaging in insults.
One thing nice about a dunce like you having me on ignore; I get the last word without having to deal with responses filled with more of your repugnant stupidity.
Poor Thingy......so simple minded.....
The reality is this,
No authorization by Congress, no invasion, no war
No YES votes from Democrats, no invasion, no war
It isn't like Obamacare, which was passed without a single R vote...
So for the simple-minded, what can't you understand ?
So Bush made the decision to finally invade and put an end to the Saddam regime ?....so what, he wouldn't act without the permission of Congress.
Congress didn't force Bush's hand, I'd look at it just the opposite....Bush forced Congress's hand, considering the Dems in Congress that had been whining
for the previous 10 years about Saddam and WMD...
I guess Clinton's bombing and missile strikes on targets in Iraq and killing of Iraqi troops don't count for simple-minded Dems....using their logic, Pearl Harbour wasn't an act of war.....just a limited air strike with no boots on the ground.
And what did the Dems do....the biggest and loudest whiners in Congress for 10 years when called upon to 'shit or get off the pot'.....they shit...they voted for war. And
they knew exactly what they were voting for....
No authorization by Congress, no invasion, no war
No YES votes from Democrats, no invasion, no war
Were they ignorant of the fact that a 36 nation coalition was assembled ?....
Were they ignorant of the fact that US boots on the ground in Iraq was what was on the table ?....Even the simple-minded can't believe that.....
So the bottom line remains a fact of reality.....
The reality is this,
No authorization by Congress, no invasion, no war
No YES votes from Democrats, no invasion, no war
It isn't like Obamacare, which was passed without a single R vote...
So for the simple-minded, what can't you understand ?
So Bush made the decision to finally invade and put an end to the Saddam regime ?....so what, he wouldn't act without the permission of Congress.
Congress didn't force Bush's hand, I'd look at it just the opposite....Bush forced Congress's hand, considering the Dems in Congress that had been whining
for the previous 10 years about Saddam and WMD...
I guess Clinton's bombing and missile strikes on targets in Iraq and killing of Iraqi troops don't count for simple-minded Dems....using their logic, Pearl Harbour wasn't an act of war.....just a limited air strike with no boots on the ground.
And what did the Dems do....the biggest and loudest whiners in Congress for 10 years when called upon to 'shit or get off the pot'.....they shit...they voted for war. And
they knew exactly what they were voting for....
No authorization by Congress, no invasion, no war
No YES votes from Democrats, no invasion, no war
Were they ignorant of the fact that a 36 nation coalition was assembled ?....
Were they ignorant of the fact that US boots on the ground in Iraq was what was on the table ?....Even the simple-minded can't believe that.....
So the bottom line remains a fact of reality.....
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Them's a lot of words.
All you have to do is answer a simple question - and it's a one word answer, btw. Who made the decision to invade Iraq?
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Like I said, braindead posters on the right - this is fun for me. I remember all of those fun debates we had in '03, where "my side" was on the wrong side of history, and Bush forged on despite Democratic opposition to invade Iraq anyway, making the bold call himself and showing what a leader he was.
If you had told me that 10 or so years later, righties would be screaming that he never would have done it without Democrats & was in fact just a bit player in the decision, I'd have howled w/ laughter. Which is exactly what I'm doing. It's one of recent history's greatest ironies.
If you had told me that 10 or so years later, righties would be screaming that he never would have done it without Democrats & was in fact just a bit player in the decision, I'd have howled w/ laughter. Which is exactly what I'm doing. It's one of recent history's greatest ironies.
maineman
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According to pinheads, Bush made the decision to remove Saddam before he was president or was it within seconds of taking the oath, I don't recall now....
Of course Bush made the final call....he was the president.....
Who made the call to not respond to the attack in Benghazi ?....
Who made the call to push through Obamacare without a single R vote ?
Who made the call to bomb Libya without Congressional approval required by the War Powers Act ?
Who threatened Syria with military intervention without consulting Congress ?
You guess it, the president.....the president is the decider, its just that some presidents actually get approval from Congress before they act....
Listen very carefully, yes Bush wanted to invade Iraq and many democrats went along for the ride. That is until people were actually killed, then they ran from it.
Read #69 again, and this time put on your comprehension goggles.
maineman
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Yeah all these people were against it, my gosh you are dense, any of these are still leaders in your party.
All previous presidents have taken responsibility for what happens under their administration,......except for the Obama admin....the buck never seems to get to the Oval Office since hes been elected....whatever happens seems to either Bush's fault or Congresses fault,( namely the House's fault )
or of course some underling's fault in Ohio in the case of the IRS...or the dead men's fault in the case of Benghazi....or the computer programmers fault in the case
of Obamacare.....or nobodys fault in the case of Fast and Furious....
or of course some underling's fault in Ohio in the case of the IRS...or the dead men's fault in the case of Benghazi....or the computer programmers fault in the case
of Obamacare.....or nobodys fault in the case of Fast and Furious....
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What does that even mean?
You guys are getting it partially right now, at least. BUSH DECIDED. That's really all that matters in terms of history. Congress gave him the authority to use force - but they didn't say he had to use it, or define what kind of force. In fact many, even Republicans, expressed that they hoped he wouldn't have to, and that if he did, it would be along the lines of airstrikes.
So, when it came to actually invading, and rushing to war - that was all Bush. 100%. His call, his war.
Again - sorry about that. I know you wish some Dems helped him decide; but they didn't.
It means they were ok with it, thought the same way, man you are a dense one aren't you
First we have:
Originally Posted by NOVA
the Congress has the FINAL SAY
Wanna show me that post ? ...... liar....
What I said was "he couldn't and wouldn't act without the permission of Congress."....which I edited to read "he wouldn't act without the permission of Congress."
because I re-considered, maybe he could have acted without Congressional approval....Obama's been doing that on a regular basis, so why not Bush.
Thats right sonny....Bush didn't have to....even though you pinheads have insisted for years that he made up his mind years before to get rid of Saddam by force.
Thats the comedy of it. Dems saying 'we didn't know'......thats not flip flopping, thats an outright lie...
The whole country knew what the War Resolution meant and thus the bottom line...
No approval, no invasion, no war
No Dems voting yes, no invasion, no war.
Because Bush would not have invaded without that approval and he specifically sought that approval before acting...
maineman
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I don't know if you're aware of it, but that little icon next to your name in a quoted post will take you right back to the post that was quoted. It looks like a tiny version of this:>>
Tried that ....don't work.....indulge me.
Ok .... yesterday, talking to Thingy.....sorry about that....
Yeah, and I'll stick with it....because Bush sought approval and I believe would NOT have acted alone without approval, Congress did, in fact, have the final say...
also recognizing that Bush did make the final call because Congress cannot really FORCE the president to go to war ..... he must agree
Congress can only force a president to not go to war.....follow that ?
So you see, its not a flip flop at all is it....
Now with the War Powers Act and other legislation, a president could use military force and seek approval later in an emergency, ie imminent danger to the country,
course, Obama don't count, he can do anything he wants, ignoring that law.
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