“Three weeks and 39 mass shootings. This is America in 2023”

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on better mental health care and supporting legislation.
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OK, but now we face the same dissonance we faced before...you can't tell who is mentally ill until after they already act unless you support mental health evaluations as a requirement that precedes gun ownership.

As a gun retailer, how can you tell if someone is mentally ill while that person is buying a gun?

I don't understand how those people get the mental health care you think they need if they aren't doing so voluntarily?

Like, what mass shooter is going to go to a therapist first instead of the gun store? They don't think they're crazy. If you read their manifestos, they're long and seem to have had a lot of thought put into them. I don't believe a single mass shooter ever thought of themselves as mentally ill, so they would never seek out the treatment unless they were forced. But you don't support that kind of coercion, so once again, we have an instance of you being the obstacle to solving the thing you are complaining about.
 
LV426 said:
OK, but now we face the same dissonance we faced before...you can't tell who is mentally ill until after they already act unless you support mental health evaluations as a requirement that precedes gun ownership....
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...and voting, driver's license, employment, etc. Mental health checks should be routine. Most can be done via a computer to track baselines. Only when there's a problem will more help be required.

The problem is both funding and legislation...including the insurance coverage.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
If it was up to me, mental health checks would be as common as annual physicals.
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But they'd have to be mandatory because that's the only way we can prevent a "mentally ill" person from buying a gun, since none of these mass shooters think they're crazy.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
How many fucking morons fear being gunned down buying groceries? Not me.
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Hey asshole, there have been no less than 5 mass shootings at grocery stores just in the last 12 months while you're fellating your gun and sticking it up your ass which is the only thing I can imagine you do with those guns since you don't do anything else with them.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Liposuctions and plastic surgery? Tattoo removal?
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Are those covered in Medicare right now? No? Ah. So why did you bring them up? Because you don't support universal health care and universal mental health care, even though you say that is the only solution.

So you say something is the only solution, but you oppose any means by which that solution can be implemented.

Nice way to position yourself as an asshole.
 
LV426 said:
But they'd have to be mandatory because that's the only way we can prevent a "mentally ill" person from buying a gun, since none of these mass shooters think they're crazy.
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It would be easier to swallow that insurance companies require mental health checkups along with physical ones in order to drive cars, vote, seek employment, etc than to just target gun owners.

Democrats have been seeking to ban guns using the same game plan since Slick Willie 30 years ago. It's not working. When will the Democrats realize that continuing to do the same thing over and over again is insane?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It would be easier to swallow that insurance companies require mental health checkups along with physical ones in order to drive cars, vote, seek employment, etc than to just target gun owners.
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So now you want to force everyone into getting mental health examinations because gun owners won't.

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Dutch Uncle said:
It would be easier to swallow that insurance companies require mental health checkups along with physical ones in order to drive cars, vote, seek employment, etc than to just target gun owners.
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Or maybe the solution is that insurance companies should simply just charge you more if you have a gun in your house.

They charge you more if you're a smoker, so why not charge them more if they're gun owners?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
When will the Democrats realize that continuing to do the same thing over and over again is insane?
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As far as I know, not one single Democrat has ever introduced a bill that would ban guns entirely.

So again, not sure what the fuck you're talking about here.

It just seems like you're making noise to distract from the shittiness of your beliefs.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
IMO, it's untreated mental illness. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans care to address the increasing lack of mental health care in America. They only want to ban shit and assert more control over the US population.

https://www.mhanational.org/issues/state-mental-health-america
2023 Key Findings
  • In 2019-2020, 20.78% of adults were experiencing a mental illness. That is equivalent to over 50 million Americans.
  • The vast majority of individuals with a substance use disorder in the U.S. are not receiving treatment. 15.35% of adults had a substance use disorder in the past year. Of them, 93.5% did not receive any form of treatment.
  • Millions of adults in the U.S. experience serious thoughts of suicide, with the highest rate among multiracial individuals. The percentage of adults reporting serious thoughts of suicide is 4.84%, totaling over 12.1 million individuals. 11% of adults who identified with two or more races reported serious thoughts of suicide in 2020 – 6% higher than the average among all adults.
  • Over 1 in 10 youth in the U.S. are experiencing depression that is severely impairing their ability to function at school or work, at home, with family, or in their social life. 16.39% of youth (age 12-17) report suffering from at least one major depressive episode (MDE) in the past year. 11.5% of youth (over 2.7 million youth) are experiencing severe major depression.
  • Over half (54.7%) of adults with a mental illness do not receive treatment, totaling over 28 million individuals. Even in Montana (ranked #1), over 4 in 10 adults with a mental illness did not receive care.
  • Almost a third (28.2%) of all adults with a mental illness reported that they were not able to receive the treatment they needed. 42% of adults with AMI reported they were unable to receive necessary care because they could not afford it.
  • 10.8% (over 5.5 million) of adults with a mental illness are uninsured. Hispanic adults with AMI were least likely to have health insurance, with 19% reporting they were not covered by insurance.
  • 6.34% of youth in the U.S. reported a substance use disorder in the past year. That is equivalent to over 1.5 million youth in the U.S. who meet the criteria for an illicit drug or alcohol use disorder.
  • 22.87% of adults who report experiencing 14 or more mentally unhealthy days each month were not able to see a doctor due to costs. In Georgia (ranked 51), over one-third of adults experiencing frequent mental distress are unable to afford a doctor’s visit.
  • 59.8% of youth with major depression do not receive any mental health treatment. Asian youth with major depression were least likely to receive specialty mental health care, with 78% reporting they did not receive mental health services in the past year. In South Carolina, the lowest ranking state, nearly 8 in 10 youth with depression do not receive care.
  • Nationally, only 28% of youth with severe depression receive some consistent treatment (7-25+ visits in a year). Most (57.3%) youth with severe depression do not receive any care.
  • Nationally, 1 in 10 youth who are covered under private insurance do not have coverage for mental or emotional difficulties – totaling over 1.2 million youth. In Arkansas (ranked 51), nearly one-quarter of youth with private insurance do not have coverage for mental health care.
  • Only .718 percent of students are identified with emotional disturbance for an individualized education program (IEP). IEPs, with sufficient resources for schools and teachers, are critical for ensuring that youth with disabilities can receive the individualized services, supports, and accommodations to succeed in a school setting.
  • In the U.S., there are an estimated 350 individuals for every one mental health provider. However, these figures may actually be an overestimate of active mental health professionals, as it may include providers who are no longer practicing or accepting new patients..
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Mental health care is not an issue. Every country has mental health problems, but only here are the mass killings higher than the next 10 countries combined.
 
LV426 said:
So now you want to force everyone into getting mental health examinations because gun owners won't.

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Proof Democrats don't give a fuck about 45,000 annual suicides, 1.2M attempted suicides and 100,000 annual drug deaths...not to mention the 10,000+ annual fatal alcohol-related auto fatalities. They only care about banning guns.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/202205.htm

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/drunk-driving-statistics/
 
Dutch Uncle said:
1.2M attempted suicides and 100,000 annual drug deaths
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Again, the solution is very, very simple and reasonable...you just oppose it on principle, which is really stupid and silly.

It's like you've created this paradox for yourself where you lament the state of mental health but oppose any significant means to address it.

So it just seems like you're complaining for the sake of complaining since you oppose any and all solutions to the problems you're complaining about.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
not to mention the 10,000+ annual fatal alcohol-related auto fatalities
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So which one of us opposes the solutions to these problems, you or me?

You.

So since you oppose the solutions, how can you possibly convince anyone that you give a sincere shit about them?
 
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