Three solar firms file for bankruptcy in a week

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While environmentalists tout benefits of solar power, three solar companies filed for bankruptcy in the past week. Each of them blamed intense global competition for its downfall.


The German companies Conergy AG and Gehrlicher Solar AG filed for insolvency in German courts in the past week. The Hawaii-based solar company Hoku also filed for bankruptcy protection, reports Renewable Energy World.


Hoku owes up to $1 billion to creditors and had to cancel building a manufacturing plant in Idaho, which had already been delayed several years.


Conergy’s 800 German workers are now in line to get three months of government unemployment payments.


All three companies partially blamed fierce international competition from places like China, which has flooded the solar market with cheap panels. Additionally, the German government has been cutting down on green subsidies.


The International Business Times notes: “A global glut in supply combined with plunging prices amid stiff competition from Asia has brought down or seriously debilitating some of the biggest names in the sector in the past two years.”


These bankruptcies come amid a trade dispute between the European Union and China over solar subsidies. Europe argues its businesses can’t compete with the cheaper Chinese panels.


The EU even moved to impose anti-dumping duties on Chinese panels last month, but now both sides are trying to negotiate a way out of their trade spat.


In the U.S., the Obama administration also slapped tariffs on Chinese solar panels to protect domestic manufacturers.


American solar panel manufacturers Solyndra and Abound Solar blamed subsidized Chinese competition for their demise. Both companies themselves received generous government-backed loan guarantees — $535 million to Solyndra and about $70 million to Abound Solar.


“With over $30 billion in reported government subsidies, Chinese panel makers were able to sell below cost and put Abound out of business before we were big enough to pose a real competitive threat to China’s rapidly growing market share,” said Craig Witsoe, former CEO of Abound.


A Daily Caller News Foundation investigation revealed that Abound solar was selling faulty solar panels that routinely underperformed and even caught on fire. The company reportedly knew its panels were faulty prior to receiving taxpayer dollars and may have misled investors in order to keep the company afloat until federal aid came in.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/09/three-solar-firms-file-for-bankruptcy-in-a-week/


ROFL
 
I don't know why idiot Americans don't just embrace total Capitalism and total waste dumping. China seems be our biggest rival on Manufacturing. And Nearly no one in America has seen the Documentaries on Toxic Disposal. They didn't even know that one of Ronmney's biggest donors was toxic disposal.

 
Or maybe you were asking why it matters China has children working to make our goods, "cancer villages" and "air you can chew".........I doubt that was the question because generally the Right fixates on monetary questions.

Let me ask you this one;

Should the world we insource from have the same regulations we put on ourselves? :challengeaccepted:
 
Or maybe you were asking why it matters China has children working to make our goods, "cancer villages" and "air you can chew".........I doubt that was the question because generally the Right fixates on monetary questions.

Let me ask you this one;

Should the world we insource from have the same regulations we put on ourselves? :challengeaccepted:

That's not our concern. We have no right to dictate how another country does its internal business.
 
Welcome to politics..........staff......lol..

All parties are tainted. But only because the people are blind to their parties flaws.

Did you know that original recipes for beer were nothing like the beer we know today? For one they didn't include hops until around the 1000s.
 
While we can't tell other countries how to regulate pollution and businesses and whatnot, we CAN in our trade agreements put tariffs on items (such as solar panels) that are being sold in our country too cheap and undermining other companies who do follow our rules and regulations.

That there is a shake up in the solar panel market is not unexpected. Pretty normal in an industry - businesses flood into it early while prices are high and profits are good; prices go down as supply increases; not everyone can still make a profit after that.

I think it's a darned shame that the US hasn't taken the lead in the renewable energy industry; I'd rather we have it than China. But we wouldn't do it; we wouldn't invest. We did some, but not in a big enough way.
 
While we can't tell other countries how to regulate pollution and businesses and whatnot, we CAN in our trade agreements put tariffs on items (such as solar panels) that are being sold in our country too cheap and undermining other companies who do follow our rules and regulations.

That there is a shake up in the solar panel market is not unexpected. Pretty normal in an industry - businesses flood into it early while prices are high and profits are good; prices go down as supply increases; not everyone can still make a profit after that.

I think it's a darned shame that the US hasn't taken the lead in the renewable energy industry; I'd rather we have it than China. But we wouldn't do it; we wouldn't invest. We did some, but not in a big enough way.

So you believe consumers should pay higher prices so that you can prop up companies? That is in essence what you are saying.

How does that help? Just because China punishes its citizens, why should the US punish theirs?

Tariffs only help favored businesses. I oppose them on all grounds. As all gobblement meddling they have unintended consequences. Here is just one example.

When Bush was President, the steel industry pressured him to put tariffs on overseas steel. It wasn't of lesser quality. It was just cheaper. The steel industry and it associated unions didn't like that. Competition bad. So Bush relented and placed tariffs on imported steel. Happy days for the steel workers and the steel industry. But, what happened in reality? Well, the price of steel went up which meant the price of construction went up which led to higher prices for consumers. How is that a good thing? Additionally, New Orleans lost good jobs because New Orleans was the largest port for receiving imported steel. Thanks to the tariffs those folks lost good paying jobs. How is that a good thing? Why do you favor one group over another? That is the problem with gobblement intervention. It picks winners and losers. Great if you are the winner. Not so great if you are the loser.
 
So you believe consumers should pay higher prices so that you can prop up companies?.

Yeppers, when foreign companies have unfair advantages due to subsidies from their govt or through not having to follow labor laws or pollution standards or other things that are even close to the US ... when our companies are undermined due to that unfair advantage...damn right I want to slap a tariff on the foreign companies rather than have them dump their stuff in our country and ruin our manufacturing.
 
Yeppers, when foreign companies have unfair advantages due to subsidies from their govt or through not having to follow labor laws or pollution standards or other things that are even close to the US ... when our companies are undermined due to that unfair advantage...damn right I want to slap a tariff on the foreign companies rather than have them dump their stuff in our country and ruin our manufacturing.

even if it screws the poor? nice
 
even if it screws the poor? nice

In the long run, it helps the poor by keeping decently-paid manufacturing jobs in the US. Racing to the bottom doesn't help them.

Haven't noticed a lot of poor putting solar panels on their houses, sad to say. Although I'm sure there are some cities or areas that have projects going to get solar panels for the poor installed...

Hey! other countries are doing this! cool!
http://www.solarpanelsuk.co.uk/news/?p=2429

http://www.ucanews.com/news/affordable-solar-panels-bring-light-to-the-poor/68678

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,52417023001_1950038,00.html

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/bringing-low-cost-solar-to-the-worlds-poor/

We can give subsides and other incentives to low-income people in our own country. We don't have to accept low-priced panels that drive companies here or from countries that enforce labor/environmental laws out of business.

If only your party cared about low-income people, we could get together and do something for them.
 
In the long run, it helps the poor by keeping decently-paid manufacturing jobs in the US. Racing to the bottom doesn't help them.

Haven't noticed a lot of poor putting solar panels on their houses, sad to say. Although I'm sure there are some cities or areas that have projects going to get solar panels for the poor installed...

Hey! other countries are doing this! cool!
http://www.solarpanelsuk.co.uk/news/?p=2429

http://www.ucanews.com/news/affordable-solar-panels-bring-light-to-the-poor/68678

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,52417023001_1950038,00.html

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/bringing-low-cost-solar-to-the-worlds-poor/

We can give subsides and other incentives to low-income people in our own country. We don't have to accept low-priced panels that drive companies here or from countries that enforce labor/environmental laws out of business.

If only your party cared about low-income people, we could get together and do something for them.

It is hard to do anything for the poor when your party wants to keep them mired in poverty. I can't help it if some people have ZERO understanding of basic economics. Tariffs have a horrid effect on the economy.

But, it is duly noted that you don't mind screwing over the poor as long as it helps precious corporations that fit your world view. Extremely compassionate on your part I might add ;)
 
Yeppers, when foreign companies have unfair advantages due to subsidies from their govt or through not having to follow labor laws or pollution standards or other things that are even close to the US ... when our companies are undermined due to that unfair advantage...damn right I want to slap a tariff on the foreign companies rather than have them dump their stuff in our country and ruin our manufacturing.

Don't forget those workers in China are making cents on the dollar, in horrible conditions, and no rights. That's ILA's dream for America too.
 
Yeppers, when foreign companies have unfair advantages due to subsidies from their govt or through not having to follow labor laws or pollution standards or other things that are even close to the US ... when our companies are undermined due to that unfair advantage...damn right I want to slap a tariff on the foreign companies rather than have them dump their stuff in our country and ruin our manufacturing.

WRONG!!

SCREW the American worker...just so long as Billy gets to buy his shit CHEAP!
 
While we can't tell other countries how to regulate pollution and businesses and whatnot, we CAN in our trade agreements put tariffs on items (such as solar panels) that are being sold in our country too cheap and undermining other companies who do follow our rules and regulations.

That there is a shake up in the solar panel market is not unexpected. Pretty normal in an industry - businesses flood into it early while prices are high and profits are good; prices go down as supply increases; not everyone can still make a profit after that.

I think it's a darned shame that the US hasn't taken the lead in the renewable energy industry; I'd rather we have it than China. But we wouldn't do it; we wouldn't invest. We did some, but not in a big enough way.

Except China has the natural resources for such investment, and we don't. In fact they control that market. So putting a tariff on their products will just cause them to raise the cost the materials for a solar panel (among other things 'green' energy needs).
 
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