Three reasons why gold won't tank

cawacko

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Any gold (or bitcoin) investors on the board? I've never invested in gold but have a good buddy who did before this most recent run up. I keep asking if he's going to sell and he's non committal. Curious if you own if you buy this outlook here.



Three reasons why gold won't tank


Talk of upcoming Fed rate hikes has caused gold to give up some of this year's gains. But we believe that the potential downside for gold is limited. Real U.S. interest rates – the key determinant of the gold price – are likely to fall further into negative territory. In 12 months we forecast gold to be near its current price of $1200 an ounce, retaining most of its bounce from below $1100 since the end of last year.

Gold has been among the best performers this year. The precious metal has outshone equity markets and high yield bonds with a gain of nearly 15 percent, to trade at $1215 an ounce. However, gold retreated in May after the Fed indicated that monetary tightening is likely in the coming months. Many in the markets had previously come to consider this scenario for Fed tightening to be improbable.

Most of gold's rally is probably over for now. We believe the Fed will hike rates twice in 2016, most likely in September and December – an outcome to which markets still assign only a roughly 40 percent probability. This faster pace of tightening should put gold under pressure over coming months, since higher rates raise the opportunity cost of holding the metal. As a result, it is possible that gold could slip below $1200 over the next three months.

Still, there are three main reasons gold should be trading close to current levels in a year's time.

1.Falling real rates: While nominal U.S. interest rates are heading higher, we believe that real interest rates – nominal rates minus inflation – are likely to fall in the months ahead. The recent rise in the oil price and tight labor markets make it probable that the inflation rate will climb. Meanwhile, the Fed remains in go-slow mode and is unlikely to accelerate rate hikes even if inflation climbs modestly above its official target of 2 percent. A negative real interest rate erodes the purchasing power of cash, making real assets, like gold, more attractive.

2.Rising production costs: The price of mining gold fell in recent years due to lower energy costs and the sliding value of the currencies of many emerging nations, where the bulk of gold is extracted. Now this process is reversing. The recovery in the price of oil and emerging market currencies is making mining more expensive again, which should support the global price somewhat.

3.Long-term growth in China and India: Economic growth rates in the two countries are an important determinant of the price of gold. Both have a cultural affinity for gold, and jewelry demand rises as middle class incomes expand. Last year China and India accounted for almost half of global demand for the metal. U.S. citizens, by contrast, were responsible for just 4 percent of purchases. While China is slowing, it still looks set for GDP growth of 6.6 percent this year, compared to 1.5 percent for the U.S. India is likely to be the world's fastest growing large economy both this year and next.

Overall, we believe the downside for the gold price is limited over a 12-month horizon. We maintain our sideways forecast of $1150-1350 an ounce in three months and $1200 in 12 months.



Commentary by Mark Haefele, global chief investment officer at UBS Wealth Management, overseeing the investment strategy for $2 trillion in invested assets. Follow UBS on Twitter @UBSamericas.


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hmm. I have some relatives who were jewellers. According to them they were hard hit as they invested in gold and not diamond and gems as the price of gold suddenly dropped. Thats my only experience with it.

On bitcoin I am very hesistant about it. First off there are no guarantees on it. If your data gets wiped out its toast. Of course a hacker can also steal my bank account but there are a lot of safeguards for that and a way for me to get my money back.

This is my real issue with bitcoin though and please anyone with more knowledge refute it.

Bitcoin is essentially a stock. The value it has is determined by fiat and can go up and down at a moments notice. Like hard currency except those have safeguards and actual governments behind them.

Now in the case of a stock unless a company splits or issues more the total stocks will stay the same. So if I own 1/100 stocks I will own 1% of the company. The value of said stock can go up and down but it is still 1%. If things stayed the same the value of my property will as well.

In the case of bitcoin you have miners. Lets say there are only 100 bitcoins in the world. lets say I own 1. As I understand it there are always bitcoin miners in operation that create bitcoins or divisions in bitcoins out of nothing. So basically while the total bitcoin may still be 100 its broken into smaller and smaller chunks and all things being equal my chunk will not be worth as much moving forward. Its like the stock is constantly splitting or issuing more stocks.

It seems like a lose - lose proposition to me unless you are an early adapter which I think has passed already.
 
As long as the paper gold sham sets the "price" of physical we are at the mercy of the bullion banks. Their ability to create hundreds of thousands of 100 ounce contracts out of thin air to soak up buyer demand pressure will frustrate true price discovery of physical gold. This year they have been on a mission to keep price below $1300 and the hi-jinx between February to May was spectacular.

Price had been on a good run from the end of January ($1121) to the end of April ($1243). It really took off that week to a high of $1292 on May 3rd . . . In that time (100 days or so), to keep price caped with a 15% gain, the Bullion Banks created 180,000 contracts increasing open interest by 47% (to 565,774 contracts / 56 million oz). Over 18,000,000 ounces of "gold" was created with keystrokes and sold, all without additional capital or physical collateral requirements in the COMEX. This open interest run-up began when the COMEX vault was at its lowest inventory ever; the paper contract obligations to physical vaulted leverage ratio was an incredible 542:1.

Until they are forced to stop this action (allowing them also to just pick a day to dump contracts equaling the entire annual mine production of the USA, to drive price down) they will continue (at great risk) because it makes them stupid money; holding that sizable of a short position in a market where if global sentiment has just a 2% uptick, they will not be able to control price or cover their exposure. That will be fun to see when it happens!

There have been developments that are threatening the dominance of the Bullion Banks.

The Yuan-denominated Shanghai Gold Exchange is a new marketplace with price setting power that is a physical settlement exchange. Similarly, in the West, the Allocated Bullion Exchange in London is also a physical settlement exchange.

For me, I consider gold (and silver) to be on sale right now and I exchange fiat USD for actual physical metal regularly. When real price discovery is forced there will not be enough physical metal to satisfy 1/100th of the paper claims.
 
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