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I know better than you who listens to greentards like Greta Turdburger




No, you don't. You're a fucking conspiracy theorist loser with no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Solar and wind are the most expensive means to produce electricity in a commercial scale system there is. That's why EVERYWHERE these are tried and pushed into widespread service, the cost of electricity per kwh doubles to triples. They do not lower electricity costs.

EV's, except where forced on consumers by the government, have remained a niche market. EV infrastructure will never reach a point where it is viable nationwide in the US, particularly in the Western US.

You can gaslight my comments all you want, but it doesn't change the reality of things. Solar, wind, and EV's are all losers in a free market setting. They all raise the cost of doing business, so to speak, where they are forced on society by government.
Untrue.
 
The same people shitting all over solar and wind power are also climate change deniers along with advocating the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. They are all seriously fucked up in the head and never to be trusted.



That's a lie.

Those sources are wrong because they don't account for solar and wind being part of a 24/7 system.

For example, in the second article, the LCOE is calculated as:

Lazard calculates an energy resource's levelized cost, or LCOE, by dividing a project's lifetime energy production by its cost.

That calculation is utter bullshit when you consider that electricity is needed 24 hours a day, every day. All it does is look at the cost of that power plant, not the cost of generating electricity 24/7. When you start calculating electrical production on the basis of a 24-hour day, all of a sudden solar and wind are completely duplicative and / or grotesquely unaffordable.

The way you need to calculate the TRUE cost of wind and solar is treat them as part of a larger generation system in which they are intermittent sources. That is, they generate electricity only part of the time. To do that you start with the nameplate capacity of the generation plant and multiply that by the plant's rated capacity factor. The first is the amount of power the plant can generate maximum. The second is the amount, on average, that it actually generates over time.

Solar plants have capacity factors typically between 20 and 25%. Wind plants have a capacity factor, typically, between 30 and 40%.

For a solar plant, it doesn't generate at all when the sun is down. This means you need some alternative to supply power at night, on cloudy days, etc. If you want to try and do that with solar what you need is to install a minimum of FIVE (5) times the needed capacity in solar panels and then build, in addition 3 to 5 kw of storage for each kw of power generated and dispatched (used).

When you do that, the Lazard calculation suddenly makes solar ungodly expensive compared to every other means of generation.

The alternative is building a second, conventional, plant like a natural gas or diesel one that picks up the load when solar isn't available. That means you now are paying to build TWO power plants and run both part of the time.

Wind is little better. The same choices have to be made. Either you build in extra capacity and lots of storage or you build a second, duplicate plant.

THAT is why wind and solar are total losers for energy production. They are so unreliable as to require either an unaffordable amount of storage capacity or you build duplicate means of generation. With the latter, it's simply cheaper to not do wind and solar and just build the reliable, alternative plant.

The cheapest combination is nuclear backed by natural gas. Nuclear is your base loading generator as it has massive, huge, capacity and a capacity factor of 95 to 98%. This generates 70 to 80% of your electricity day in and day out, all day long. The other 20 to 30% is the variable load that fluctuates during each day. For that you build natural gas peaking plants that can come online or go offline fairly rapidly. They are flexible enough to meet that variable load without issues.

Solar and wind are total losers as generation sources. The most idiotic version is rooftop home solar. That is insanely inefficient and costly.
 
Those sources are wrong because they don't account for solar and wind being part of a 24/7 system.

For example, in the second article, the LCOE is calculated as:

Lazard calculates an energy resource's levelized cost, or LCOE, by dividing a project's lifetime energy production by its cost.

That calculation is utter bullshit when you consider that electricity is needed 24 hours a day, every day. All it does is look at the cost of that power plant, not the cost of generating electricity 24/7. When you start calculating electrical production on the basis of a 24-hour day, all of a sudden solar and wind are completely duplicative and / or grotesquely unaffordable.

The way you need to calculate the TRUE cost of wind and solar is treat them as part of a larger generation system in which they are intermittent sources. That is, they generate electricity only part of the time. To do that you start with the nameplate capacity of the generation plant and multiply that by the plant's rated capacity factor. The first is the amount of power the plant can generate maximum. The second is the amount, on average, that it actually generates over time.

Solar plants have capacity factors typically between 20 and 25%. Wind plants have a capacity factor, typically, between 30 and 40%.

For a solar plant, it doesn't generate at all when the sun is down. This means you need some alternative to supply power at night, on cloudy days, etc. If you want to try and do that with solar what you need is to install a minimum of FIVE (5) times the needed capacity in solar panels and then build, in addition 3 to 5 kw of storage for each kw of power generated and dispatched (used).

When you do that, the Lazard calculation suddenly makes solar ungodly expensive compared to every other means of generation.

The alternative is building a second, conventional, plant like a natural gas or diesel one that picks up the load when solar isn't available. That means you now are paying to build TWO power plants and run both part of the time.

Wind is little better. The same choices have to be made. Either you build in extra capacity and lots of storage or you build a second, duplicate plant.

THAT is why wind and solar are total losers for energy production. They are so unreliable as to require either an unaffordable amount of storage capacity or you build duplicate means of generation. With the latter, it's simply cheaper to not do wind and solar and just build the reliable, alternative plant.

The cheapest combination is nuclear backed by natural gas. Nuclear is your base loading generator as it has massive, huge, capacity and a capacity factor of 95 to 98%. This generates 70 to 80% of your electricity day in and day out, all day long. The other 20 to 30% is the variable load that fluctuates during each day. For that you build natural gas peaking plants that can come online or go offline fairly rapidly. They are flexible enough to meet that variable load without issues.

Solar and wind are total losers as generation sources. The most idiotic version is rooftop home solar. That is insanely inefficient and costly.
I gave you two links and you gave your opinion. Awesome.
 
I know better than you who listens to greentards like Greta Turdburger





Let's take a look at a couple of your bullshit sources ...

Institute For Energy Research:

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National Wind Watch:

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As for the other two articles regarding the expense of wind energy and the bankruptcy of one large wind energy company ...

1) all new technology is expensive at first. When digital flat screen TV first came out 25 years ago, some of those TVs cost over $3K. Some over $5K. Today you can get 50" LED screen TVs at Walmart for under $500. What will keep wind energy expensive is the greed and profit driven opposition by the fossil fuel industry and their lapdogs in the Republican Party.

2) you're using one company's bankruptcy as a reason to shun wind energy when the incompetent shyster you helped put in the White House has filed for bankruptcy more times than he has tiny little orange fingers on his tiny little orange hands????

Puh - lease. :palm:
 
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Let's take a look at a couple of your bullshit sources ...

Institute For Energy Research:

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National Wind Watch:

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As for the other two articles regarding the expense of wind energy and the bankruptcy of one large wind energy company ...

1) all new technology is expensive at first. When digital flat screen TV first came out 25 years ago, some of those TVs cost over $3K. Some over $5K. Today you can get 50" LED screen TVs at Walmart for under $500. What will keep it expensive is the greed and profit driven opposition by the fossil fuel industry and their lapdogs in the Republican Party.

2) you're using one company's bankruptcy as a reason to shun wind energy when the incompetent shyster you helped put in the White House has filed for bankruptcy more times than he has tiny little orange fingers on his tiny little orange hands????

Puh - lease. :palm:
Nice and irrelevant attack on the sources rather than try and make any sort of factual rebuttal.
 
Prove me wrong. Show me how solar and wind, when used on a grid requiring 24 hour-a-day electrical output can produce that power cheaper than conventional generation. Go for it! I dare you!
Why? I've watched you bitch, moan and whine about renewable energy sources and electric cars for six years, Terry. No one is going to change your mind no matter what proof is offered.

The fact your are acting like a rebellious teenager is just another indication that you are no longer the man who retired from the United States Navy as a Chief.
 
Let's take a look at a couple of your bullshit sources ...

Institute For Energy Research:

View attachment 79210

National Wind Watch:

View attachment 79211

As for the other two articles regarding the expense of wind energy and the bankruptcy of one large wind energy company ...

1) all new technology is expensive at first. When digital flat screen TV first came out 25 years ago, some of those TVs cost over $3K. Some over $5K. Today you can get 50" LED screen TVs at Walmart for under $500. What will keep it expensive is the greed and profit driven opposition by the fossil fuel industry and their lapdogs in the Republican Party.

2) you're using one company's bankruptcy as a reason to shun wind energy when the incompetent shyster you helped put in the White House has filed for bankruptcy more times than he has tiny little orange fingers on his tiny little orange hands????

Puh - lease. :palm:
You did a lot more work that I'd do for Terry. He won't accept any of it, however. I believe his cognitive skills are declining.

Nice and irrelevant attack on the sources rather than try and make any sort of factual rebuttal.
QED
 
Nice and irrelevant attack on the sources rather than try and make any sort of factual rebuttal.
FYI - your sources are bogus, biased, fossil fuel industry lapdogs whose statements on the subject cannot be trusted or taken seriously because their masters are motivated by self-interest, profit and greed.

Just like trump and all his supporters.

Like you.
 
FYI - your sources are bogus, biased, fossil fuel industry lapdogs whose statements on the subject cannot be trusted or taken seriously because their masters are motivated by self-interest, profit and greed.

Just like trump and all his supporters.

Like you.
Terry lives in his own world.

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Why? I've watched you bitch, moan and whine about renewable energy sources and electric cars for six years, Terry. No one is going to change your mind no matter what proof is offered.

The fact your are acting like a rebellious teenager is just another indication that you are no longer the man who retired from the United States Navy as a Chief.
The "proof" you offered was weak. I addressed it. The LCOE calculations in your articles don't reflect the true cost of solar and wind when used on a grid. I pointed that out and why. You ignore that. You then ignored my explanation of why that's true. You are an oblivious idiot.

And, yes, no one may change their mind. That's the problem. You want what doesn't work and is stupid. That's a problem for everyone.
 
The "proof" you offered was weak. I addressed it. The LCOE calculations in your articles don't reflect the true cost of solar and wind when used on a grid. I pointed that out and why. You ignore that. You then ignored my explanation of why that's true. You are an oblivious idiot.

And, yes, no one may change their mind. That's the problem. You want what doesn't work and is stupid. That's a problem for everyone.
QED
 
FYI - your sources are bogus, biased, fossil fuel industry lapdogs whose statements on the subject cannot be trusted or taken seriously because their masters are motivated by self-interest, profit and greed.

Just like trump and all his supporters.

Like you.
...

1) all new technology is expensive at first. When digital flat screen TV first came out 25 years ago, some of those TVs cost over $3K. Some over $5K. Today you can get 50" LED screen TVs at Walmart for under $500. What will keep wind energy expensive is the greed and profit driven opposition by the fossil fuel industry and their lapdogs in the Republican Party.
...

I have this same argument with @T. A. Gardner on almost every area of technology and you nailed him.

His biggest point is some version of 'it was not competitive dozens or hundreds of years ago so that is proof it cannot and will not be today or in the future'.

He often cites studies counting on people to not look at source and that if fully read contradict what he is saying.

I nailed him after he said 'EV's can never be competitive and that was proven in the early 1900's when ICE beat them and nothing has changed since then to impact the debate.'

It was about as stupid an argument as anyone can make but he pushed it anyway but when pushed he destroyed his own argument admitting EV's were better than ICE when they had mostly equal playing fields (no gas stations no Charging stations) even though ICE fuel was portable back then.

He has tried to back peddle from that accidental admission, i got out of him, ever since.
 
I wish I could say I'm surprised and shocked at this turn of events, but I'm not. The Pedo President continues to fuck up our nation to the applause of his fans.

QED
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The grift never ends with that disgusting chunk of blubber. :mad:

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The hats were listed for $50 with the description: "The future looks bright! Rewrite the rules with the Trump 2028 high crown hat. Fully embroidered with a snap closure in the back, this will become your new go-to hat."

The shirts, at $36, also feature the phrase โ€œRewrite the Rules.โ€

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