This may sound a bit racial but...

aeprga said:
I think hate crimes are bad and different from non-hate crimes.
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Don't worry dung... I am sure the dead teen in Arkansas understands, as does her family. It is totally different. They understand why you care about the teen in Florida and not their girl.
 
Jarod said:
Seriously read what I said and stop pretending I said things I did not.

Do you think Dunn's comments illustrate racism?
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absolutely... he is a racist. I am not pretending anything. You tried to tie his actions to Republicans. Because you are a fucking idiot.
 
Three big differences the right is ignoring between Dunn and Noble.

1. Nobody started talking about Dunn until it appeared he was likely to get away with the murder of a teenager.
2. Noble is not using Florida's Stand Your Ground laws to get away with his murder.
3. The justice system appears to be working in the Noble case.
So far, even after a trial Dunn has gotten away with murdering a teenager.
4. Dunn has made racist statements.
5. No Liberal has defended Noble or stood up for his cause!

So to pretend that the two cases are the same is PITTAFULL. Noble is very likely to spend the rest of his life in prison for his murder. Dunn is likely to never serve a day for the murder he committed.
 
Superfreak said:
Don't worry dung... I am sure the dead teen in Arkansas understands, as does her family. It is totally different. They understand why you care about the teen in Florida and not their girl.
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My step-brother was murdered when he was 14. I was 12. That was also different from a kid getting shot because he was black. It's not that I don't care about my step-brother or why he was murdered.
 
It appears Supercandy is okay with Dunn getting a mistrial on his murder charge.

How will he feel if Noble gets a mistrial on his murder charge? (He wont because Arkansas does not have such liberal self defense laws.)
 
Okay straw man eliminated, back to the topic of the thread...

When you conservatives talk about the culture of entitlement that Obama is creating, who are you talking about, what group of people?
 
Superfreak said:
Give me a break. This wasn't about the Dunn case. Or about 'not caring' that his victims were unarmed. This was about Garud insinuating this was political in nature. That somehow Republicans are responsible for Dunns actions. That Dunn did it because he was mad at Obama, etc...

It was about Garuds idiocy. Which is why I asked him if Noble's case was also because of politicians etc...
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Do some conservatives criticize Obama about entitlements? Yes. Obama Programs Derided by Republicans as Pejorative Entitlements

Do some conservatives criticize Obama about food stamps (Food stamp president: Enrollment up 70 percent under Obama), cell phones (Me and My Obamaphones), and welfare (Pat Buchanan: President Obama a 'drug dealer of welfare)? Yes.

Do some conservatives criticize Obama by saying he "favors blacks"? Yes. Steve King: Obama 'favors the black person'

So it's not a stretch for Jarod to say that some conservatives ramp up hatred for Obama through their incendiary comments and pander to the racists in their ranks.
 
Jarod said:
Three big differences the right is ignoring between Dunn and Noble.

1. Nobody started talking about Dunn until it appeared he was likely to get away with the murder of a teenager.
2. Noble is not using Florida's Stand Your Ground laws to get away with his murder.
3. The justice system appears to be working in the Noble case.
So far, even after a trial Dunn has gotten away with murdering a teenager.
4. Dunn has made racist statements.
5. No Liberal has defended Noble or stood up for his cause!

So to pretend that the two cases are the same is PITTAFULL. Noble is very likely to spend the rest of his life in prison for his murder. Dunn is likely to never serve a day for the murder he committed.
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Pure nonsense.

1) As a nation we do not follow every murder case. You are in Florida, so it is local news. Why would the rest of the country talk about a murder in Florida?
2) Does Arkansas have a stand your ground law to use? Is Nobles victim any less dead?
3) The justice system worked in Dunn's case as well... he is facing 60 years in prison
4) Dunn being a racist doesn't alter the fact that both men fired upon teenagers without justification
5) Who is standing up for Dunn Garud? What 'cause' are people standing up for Garud?

Pretending that the Dunn case was due to Republicans or a sense of 'entitlement' as you suggested is what is pitiful. The two case are very similar... teens doing something that pissed off someone with a gun that resulted in the death of a teen.
 
christiefan915 said:
Do some conservatives criticize Obama about entitlements? Yes. Obama Programs Derided by Republicans as Pejorative Entitlements

Do some conservatives criticize Obama about food stamps (Food stamp president: Enrollment up 70 percent under Obama), cell phones (Me and My Obamaphones), and welfare (Pat Buchanan: President Obama a 'drug dealer of welfare)? Yes.

Do some conservatives criticize Obama by saying he "favors blacks"? Yes. Steve King: Obama 'favors the black person'

So it's not a stretch for Jarod to say that some conservatives ramp up hatred for Obama through their incendiary comments and pander to the racists in their ranks.
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And that means go shoot unarmed black kids?
 
christiefan915 said:
Do some conservatives criticize Obama about entitlements? Yes. Obama Programs Derided by Republicans as Pejorative Entitlements

Do some conservatives criticize Obama about food stamps (Food stamp president: Enrollment up 70 percent under Obama), cell phones (Me and My Obamaphones), and welfare (Pat Buchanan: President Obama a 'drug dealer of welfare)? Yes.

Do some conservatives criticize Obama by saying he "favors blacks"? Yes. Steve King: Obama 'favors the black person'

So it's not a stretch for Jarod to say that some conservatives ramp up hatred for Obama through their incendiary comments and pander to the racists in their ranks.
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LMAO... thanks for proving that you will support any attack on conservatives regardless of how ignorant that attack is.
 
Jarod said:
Okay straw man eliminated, back to the topic of the thread...

When you conservatives talk about the culture of entitlement that Obama is creating, who are you talking about, what group of people?
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what 'straw man' is that Garud?

What is very telling about your above comment Garud is that it shows that YOU think entitlements are just for a specific group of people. What group are YOU talking about Garud?

Do you understand that there are far more white people on entitlement programs than there are minorities?
 
aeprga said:
My step-brother was murdered when he was 14. I was 12. That was also different from a kid getting shot because he was black. It's not that I don't care about my step-brother or why he was murdered.
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OMG that's awful. I'm so sorry to hear that, only 14 years old.
 
Jarod said:
Okay straw man eliminated, back to the topic of the thread...

When you conservatives talk about the culture of entitlement that Obama is creating, who are you talking about, what group of people?
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Look at how you ask your question. Why does a culture of entitlement have to mean a specific group of people to you? To speak of a culture of entitlement in the American people speaks to all Americans.

I know you specifically want it to mean a culture of entitlement among the black community. For shits & giggles if that was the argument it's not like that was first made in 2009 so that wouldn't even be relevant anyway.

A 'culture of entitlement' basically refers to a nation where less people are working and more people are living off of government programs. (in the most basic sense)
 
Jarod said:
It appears Supercandy is okay with Dunn getting a mistrial on his murder charge.

How will he feel if Noble gets a mistrial on his murder charge? (He wont because Arkansas does not have such liberal self defense laws.)
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Really Garud... where have I stated any such thing regarding the murder charge?

Are you lying again Garud?

So you think the self defense law in Florida is liberal?
 
christiefan915 said:
? Post 29. "And before you comment, Noble should get the book thrown at him for killing an unarmed teen, and gun violence in our society still makes me sick."
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Yet you tried to support Garuds claim that Republicans talking about entitlement programs etc... was somehow the reason Dunn shot at those kids.
 
Superfreak said:
Yet you tried to support Garuds claim that Republicans talking about entitlement programs etc... was somehow the reason Dunn shot at those kids.
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Sorry, you're wrong. Do you think some people won't commit acts of violence based on their political beliefs? Let me introduce you to Richard Poplawski.

April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
 
Superfreak said:
what 'straw man' is that Garud?

What is very telling about your above comment Garud is that it shows that YOU think entitlements are just for a specific group of people. What group are YOU talking about Garud?

Do you understand that there are far more white people on entitlement programs than there are minorities?
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I don't think Obama is pushing any "entitlements" and I don't think he promotes a culture of entitlement.
 
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