this is how government fails

maineman said:
the OP implies that the rate increase is primarily responsible for the revenue decrease. The onus is there to prove that.

Clearly, if you do not know or cannot measure how much of the consumption decrease is due to the increase in tolls, you cannot assert that raising the tolls caused the revenues to go down, can you?
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Nor can you assert the opposite, sans adequate data.

Onus?
 
maineman said:
if STY is going to rant about the toll increase causing a decrease in revenue, doesn't he need to demonstate that cause and effect relationship?
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Conversely, if you're gonna throw a hissy about him being wrong, wouldn't you need to demonstrate that as well?
 
maineman said:
weak to expect someone to prove their allegations? why would you say that? or maybe you say stuff like that when you really don't understand the conversation all that clearly?
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You do realize that you only can control yourself; so just maybe you need to stop worrying about what someone else does, or doesn't do, and fix your own house.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Do you even realize how juvenille you sound, when you continue like this?
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Your judgment as to the age of the tone of my conversation with AHZ is of zero concern to me. you have proven time and again that you are an intellectual lightweight... and a crude and offensive moron. your opinion is valueless.

go somewhere else.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You do realize that you only can control yourself; so just maybe you need to stop worrying about what someone else does, or doesn't do, and fix your own house.
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I don't care what you do and I certainly would never try to control you... my house is fine, by the way... and you remain an insignificant annoyance... kinda like a little bug.
 
maineman said:
Your judgment as to the age of the tone of my conversation with AHZ is of zero concern to me. you have proven time and again that you are an intellectual lightweight... and a crude and offensive moron. your opinion is valueless.

go somewhere else.
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DAMN, Thanks for proving my point.

Now, carry on to your hearts content.
 
maineman said:
I don't care what you do and I certainly would never try to control you... my house is fine, by the way... and you remain an insignificant annoyance... kinda like a little bug.
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And yet; you made the choice to honor me with your reply.
GEE, I fell so.....................................








.............................AMUSED.

:lmao:
 
AssHatZombie said:
Why don't you prove him wrong, dickhole?
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I don't have the data from any survey of drivers that lays out how many stopped using the road because of the tolls. That is obviously necessary information that neither side has here. the POINT being that the OP made an assertion... it is certainly appropriate to ask the author to put up or shut up... either prove your opinion is something more than an opinion, or admit that it isn't. STY has done neither.

and again...I have tried very hard to be inordinately civil with you.

you? not so much.

you should start trying.
 
maineman said:
I don't have the data from any survey of drivers that lays out how many stopped using the road because of the tolls. That is obviously necessary information that neither side has here. the POINT being that the OP made an assertion... it is certainly appropriate to ask the author to put up or shut up... either prove your opinion is something more than an opinion, or admit that it isn't. STY has done neither.

and again...I have tried very hard to be inordinately civil with you.

you? not so much.

you should start trying.
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Basically your dumb friend boffergroin was trying to downplay the general rule that increased rates reduce consumption, a reality which plagues tax lovers like boffergroin. He did this by trying to suggest STY was wrong, though he hasn't a shred of proof.

Take your civility and shove it up your grunge hole.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Basically your dumb friend boffergroin was trying to downplay the general rule that increased rates reduce consumption, a reality which plagues tax lovers like boffergroin. He did this by trying to suggest STY was wrong, though he hasn't a shred of proof.

Take your civility and shove it up your grunge hole.
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STY made the assertion that because tolls INCREASED by a quarter, usage decreased...I never contended that point. If he had stopped there, there would be no argument...

BUT, he went on to say that revenues are down and the toll increase is the OBVIOUS cause...

That is merely his opinion based on speculation, because he failed to back it up with any data...

All he or you need to do is admit it is merely his opinion, but STY contends it is a statement of fact...

That is FALSE without the data to back it up...

THIS is such simple econ 101 stuff that I wonder why you continue to argue. Are you being obstinate or are you just THAT ignorant?
 
Ya know, I keep hearing an evasion of a real basic problem here. WHO's GONA FUCKIN PAY FOR THE ROAD?

To high of a toll would discourage people from driving on that road, having said that, not having a road will discourage people from driving on said non-existant road even more.
 
Bfgrn said:
STY made the assertion that because tolls INCREASED by a quarter, usage decreased...I never contended that point. If he had stopped there, there would be no argument...

BUT, he went on to say that revenues are down and the toll increase is the OBVIOUS cause...

That is merely his opinion based on speculation, because he failed to back it up with any data...

All he or you need to do is admit it is merely his opinion, but STY contends it is a statement of fact...

That is FALSE without the data to back it up...

THIS is such simple econ 101 stuff that I wonder why you continue to argue. Are you being obstinate or are you just THAT ignorant?
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No. It's false when it's proven false. which you haven't done. So sit and spin, gasbag.
 
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