This is f*cking embarrassing,

United76America said:
If we're being honest, Obama grew the stock market well. Trump has had the stock market growing faster, but I give Obama credit for that.

The economy? Obama averaged 1.5% GDP growth and never got past 3%. Both all time lows. And when Trump said he would hit 4%, Obama said it was impossible. Not exactly the mindset you want your president to have. Obama saw workforce participation drop to the lowest rates since the great depression and it never went back up. Obama saw black homeownership drops nearly 9% and never go back up. Obama saw black welfare recipients sky rocket. When Obama was confronted with Trumps comments about bringing back manufacturing jobs, Obama asked what magic wand Trump would wave to make that happen, because he said it wasn't possible. And yet, Trump brought manufacturing jobs back. Obama's economic recovery was the worst of all time. Ronald Reagan received a nearly identical economy from Jimmy Carter and it never fell into a recession. Reagan surpassed 4% GDP growth multiple times.

So no. I won't give Obama credit for the economy. I will give him credit for the worst economic growth of all time.

And I'll give him credit for the stock market. Because that did perform well under him for the most part.
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Obama grew nothing. The stock market continued to rise under Obama's administration for one reason. The Fed kept pumping billions of dollars monthly into the gambling casino known as the US STOCK MARKET.....simply giving more to the big money gamblers to (wink wink) invest. Trouble is all the big investment firms and banks.....just sit on that capital, thus the stagnate 2.8-2.9 GDP growth.

The FED helped Obama get re-elected by pumping 40 billion a month into the open market place.....it was funny money used to create another fake BUBBLE economy, that will one day blow this nation wide open. www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2013/...helping-to-rig-the-stock-market/#2b52cf274da7
 
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Frank Apisa said:
Trump supporters are a fucking menace.

Revel in your raises, promotions, and 401k growth.

When the smack comes...it will be a mother to deal with!
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Lol I'm a menace because I support the president. Ok bud. I will revel in my successes. Thanks for the advice.

When the smack comes it's going to be dems smacked down by a nice Republican supermajority:)
 
blackascoal said:
Trump is a stark demonstration that the American system of governance and democracy has some very large and gaping holes in it.
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A hiccup, that will never happen again. Sane people now have tangible evidence that should coerce apathetic kids to vote.
 
United76America said:
Obama to Dmitri Medvedev on a hot mic "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my election and if he gives me space know then I'll be able to offer more flexibility on missile defense etc.." (paraphrase) -- Libs have no problem.

Hillary to Putin *offers physical reset button to represent a reset in relations between the US and Russia with no consequences for Russian actions in Crimea, Syria, or around the world and nothing in return.* -- Libs have no problem.

Trump *two year investigation into potential collusion with Russia over election meddling with no evidence. Despite millions of taxpayers dollars tossed into it and billions of media dollars poured into it. Meets with Putin to discuss relations.* Libs freak out about the end of democracy and our president being a Russian stooge.

I believe this is called... hypocrisy.
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I call deflection!
 
United76America said:
And there's no proof they've had help. Stop being a moron. If you're so convinced provide your evidence. Because if you have none, then you're just talking out of your ass.
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LOL!

They sure seemed to have help as they were communicating with Roger Stone as well as a yet-to-be-named Congressional candidate.
 
United76America said:
If we're being honest, Obama grew the stock market well. Trump has had the stock market growing faster, but I give Obama credit for that.

The economy? Obama averaged 1.5% GDP growth and never got past 3%. Both all time lows. And when Trump said he would hit 4%, Obama said it was impossible. Not exactly the mindset you want your president to have. Obama saw workforce participation drop to the lowest rates since the great depression and it never went back up. Obama saw black homeownership drops nearly 9% and never go back up. Obama saw black welfare recipients sky rocket. When Obama was confronted with Trumps comments about bringing back manufacturing jobs, Obama asked what magic wand Trump would wave to make that happen, because he said it wasn't possible. And yet, Trump brought manufacturing jobs back. Obama's economic recovery was the worst of all time. Ronald Reagan received a nearly identical economy from Jimmy Carter and it never fell into a recession. Reagan surpassed 4% GDP growth multiple times.

So no. I won't give Obama credit for the economy. I will give him credit for the worst economic growth of all time.

And I'll give him credit for the stock market. Because that did perform well under him for the most part.
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That's a whole lotta nonsense right there. Manufacturing up? I guess you haven't been paying attention to the fallout from the tariffs?
 
LV426 said:
Stone even said he's likely to be indicted.

This whole thing is going to crash and it's going to crash hard on Trump and the GOP.

My advice to you is to jump off that Trump train now, and beg forgiveness from all those you arrogantly fought so hard against, and we might consider your voice has importance, or is even a voice that should be heard.
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That's your opinion. I appreciate it. But I'll decline.

I'm not being arrogant, I'm being realistic. You all are trying to convince conservatives of the guilt of others with no evidence. You're a blind man judging a fashion show.

And here's something I'd urge you to learn. Every voice is important. Every voice should be heard. Whether or not we agree, whether or not I believe your positions to be immoral, I believe strongly that your voice is important and should be heard. We're the only modern country with the constitutionally protected right of free speech. Diversity of opinion is what makes America an incredible country. The ability to express yourself how you want to is what makes America an incredible country. So while you may think that my voice isn't important because we disagre. Or that my voice doesn't deserve to be heard because we disagree. Just know that despite those disagreements, I'll always fight for your voice.

God bless brother. [emoji111][emoji120]
 
LV426 said:
Here's what you can tell me:

"I am sorry that my brain was hacked by Russia. I didn't understand the scope and scale of it, nor did I really understand the extent to which I bought into it. I hope you can forgive me and trust that moving forward, I won't allow my confirmation bias to apply to any of my thinking again."

Even if you said that, I still don't think I'd forgive you.
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I don't want your forgiveness because I have nothing to apologize for lulz. The only one allowing confirmation bias to influence their thinking is you. I've said multiple times that I'm not going to presume guilt without evidence. Once that evidence is released, if it is released, I may very well be on your side. But in America, you dont hand down a guilty verdict before the trial.
 
United76America said:
And here's something I'd urge you to learn. Every voice is important. Every voice should be heard. Whether or not we agree, whether or not I believe your positions to be immoral, I believe strongly that your voice is important and should be heard. We're the only modern country with the constitutionally protected right of free speech. Diversity of opinion is what makes America an incredible country. The ability to express yourself how you want to is what makes America an incredible country. So while you may think that my voice isn't important because we disagre. Or that my voice doesn't deserve to be heard because we disagree. Just know that despite those disagreements, I'll always fight for your voice.
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Disagree.

Some voices just aren't deserving to be heard; particularly the voices of people who were fooled by Russian propaganda.

That's why the lifeboats are going to be burned.

No re-branding this time.
 
United76America said:
I don't want your forgiveness because I have nothing to apologize for lulz. The only one allowing confirmation bias to influence their thinking is you. I've said multiple times that I'm not going to presume guilt without evidence. Once that evidence is released, if it is released, I may very well be on your side. But in America, you dont hand down a guilty verdict before the trial.
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When this is all over and Trump is gone, he's going to leave you holding the stinking bag of excuses.

Because of that stinking bag you'll be holding, your voice will be ignored in the public space. Anytime you open your mouth, you will immediately be met with "but you fell for Russian propaganda". Those six words will then qualify every single thing you say. It will be lorded over you by people like me at every opportunity and turn. You won't be able to escape it because it will be relentless.

We will get to define your legacy; you will have no say in that.

#BurntheLifeboats
 
LV426 said:
OR it was a cue to Russia to start hacking; which they did that same day.
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Trump must be some kind of genius....not only does he control the US MILITARY and INTEL....he directs Russian military intel as well. But I thought he was some kind of orange faced Buffoon.....which is it? Stupid or some kind of evil genius? :laugh: Do you actually assume that anyone with any relationship to reason and logic will take these wild accusations going from one pole to the other....SERIOUSLY? Whose really the bi-polar party?
 
United76America said:
I don't want your forgiveness because I have nothing to apologize for lulz. The only one allowing confirmation bias to influence their thinking is you. I've said multiple times that I'm not going to presume guilt without evidence. Once that evidence is released, if it is released, I may very well be on your side. But in America, you dont hand down a guilty verdict before the trial.
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Nope. It will be too late by that point. Your hacked brain isn't even letting you accept the conclusions of what we know today.

It's too late for you to join my side ever.

Everything you say, everything you think, everything you do will be tainted by your blind fealty to Trump and your massive ego. Your voice will be ignored and deleted from the conversation. Why? Because who cares what some dumb, brainwashed idiot has to say or think.

So politicians won't cater to you anymore. Your "moderation" won't be considered. Your voice will be muted simply by pressing the "yeah, but you fell for Russian propaganda" button.
 
LV426 said:
Disagree.

Some voices just aren't deserving to be heard; particularly the voices of people who were fooled by Russian propaganda.

That's why the lifeboats are going to be burned.

No re-branding this time.
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That's a worthy goal but a mighty tall order in Reality America where we recycle war criminals as TV pundits.
 
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