This European comedy sketch explains how the world sees America’s gun problem

Threedee said:
Aside from the sheer volume of regulations on the books? Having a well-regulated militia, such as the Minutemen, is the reason why the 2nd Amendment was drafted - for revolution against a tyrannical government that leftists either believe cannot come about or should come about to bring about order. That being said, the founders also considered the general public to be the militia, and if properly armed, capable of fomenting revolution, which is why the 2nd gives a blanket protection against infringement.
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Maybe, but I'm not buying that that is the only reason the 2nd was written. BTW, are you aware that several of your compadres here are stating that the U.S. military would never ever go after American citizens, armed or not? In that case, what power does a "tyrannical government" even have? The only thing I can think of is passing draconian laws restricting our freedom to speak, travel, act, etc. If we violate such laws, what would the government then do to enforce them and punish us? Use the military, of course. So once again we're back to the fallacy that somehow your (group your) guns are going to allow you (group you) to stand up against the "tyrannical government" and its military might.

It would make a nice movie, but like most movies it's far from reality.
 
Gotcha68 said:
Are you actually stating that if the govt came to take your guns there would be a Waco like stand off with your house at the center of it and you behind your closed front door with all your guns ready to rock and roll while the police/military were outside preparing to get your guns by force?

Is that your contention with comments like this?
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The dishonorable little moron also believes that all he has to do is show that he has weapons -- the U.S. military would never fire on him, an American citizen. LOLOLOL
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Maybe, but I'm not buying that that is the only reason the 2nd was written. BTW, are you aware that several of your compadres here are stating that the U.S. military would never ever go after American citizens, armed or not? In that case, what power does a "tyrannical government" even have? The only thing I can think of is passing draconian laws restricting our freedom to speak, travel, act, etc. If we violate such laws, what would the government then do to enforce them and punish us? Use the military, of course. So once again we're back to the fallacy that somehow your (group your) guns are going to allow you (group you) to stand up against the "tyrannical government" and its military might.

It would make a nice movie, but like most movies it's far from reality.
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First, the 2nd Amendment truly was only written to ensure the people have the ability to overthrow a tyrannical government, and thus to allow militias the opportunity to drill and train as needed. It is not in place to ensure personal use of firearms for the sake of self-defense, home defense, recreation, or hunting, though the individual right granted by the 2nd has the effect of protecting those uses.

As to the matter of our massive standing military, and it's civic commitment to the Constitution and the citizenry, that is an interesting dilemma. In ancient Rome, the legions began as an unpaid civic-minded, volunteer force, and eventually devolved into a mercenary force that essentially fought for the highest bidder. From the devolution of the Roman legions until the rise of nationalism, we didn't experience a lot of military forces who were motivated by civic virtue. In the modern West, it is much harder to imagine military servicemembers uniformly turning against their fellow citizens. The founders were wary of a standing army, because they feared it could be used for the purposes of tyranny, and Washington witnessed his own officers plotting the overthrow of the Confederation government. So, the only honest answer is that it's hard to imagine more than 1/3 (which is probably much too high of an estimate) of the current military serving a tyrannical state, but, at the same time, we don't really know what the future can bring, either.
 
Rune said:
Since that would be entirely unconstitutional, yes.
Any such action should be met with deadly force.
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Our police force and military tend to use excessive force above and beyond what is required or even what is considered just so I highly doubt our Constitution will come into play if they ever decide to take your guns away. It will happen if and when they want it too. That's what happens when you allow the govt to dump more money into a military than the next 8 countries combined and let cops get away with brutality and excessive force without consequence.

You think they will ask politely? Nah.
 
CFM said:
It's been shown useless words don't work yet your answer is to add more and try it again. Let me help you. Criminals intent on doing something like this don't read or pay attention to those words no matter how many you add. The words you want to add will only affect those that read and abide by them. For example, schools are gun free zones, therefore, despite the fact that I conceal carry as my state allows, I don't take one onto school grounds when I go. The ones those words you want to add aren't the ones you need to worry about doing something like this. Those that will do these shootings won't read or pay attention to any of them no matter how many you put.
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Considering I didn't mention what words I would add then your comment is just your opinion. I personally don't care if people own guns. I personally do care that the public in general has access to guns which can kill scores of people in a very short time. There is no need for the public to have those kinds of guns. To target shoot? To slaughter deer with? What exactly do we need such guns out in the public for?
 
Gotcha68 said:
Considering I didn't mention what words I would add then your comment is just your opinion. I personally don't care if people own guns. I personally do care that the public in general has access to guns which can kill scores of people in a very short time. There is no need for the public to have those kinds of guns. To target shoot? To slaughter deer with? What exactly do we need such guns out in the public for?
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So Internet heroes like our gun-humpers here can play one-night-stand-off with the U.S. military, thus saving the rest of us from tyranny. *snort*
 
What does the rest of the world think of a America.
Where the rights answer to school shooting is arm teachers.
It takes a special kind of sick mind to think that's a rational solution!
My thoughts and prayers are with these mind sick gun nut motherfuckers.
 
All this hatred for the NRA and those of us who are responsible gun owners, yet not one word condemning the perpetrator who committed this, or any other firearm crimes.
Will you all contribute to his defense fund? I mean after all, he just has a mental illness, right?
 
Gotcha68 said:
I might actually watch the news for a change if that were the case. Let me know when you plan on taking a stand so I can plan ahead.
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When they try to take what is mine and my constitutional right to have them.
Surely, I won't be alone. Bank on it...
 
RB 60 said:
When they try to take what is mine and my constitutional right to have them.
Surely, I won't be alone. Bank on it...
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I'm sure you won't be alone but however many of of you there are, it won't even come close to being enough. You simply do not have the fire power to take on the American govt. Period.
 
Gotcha68 said:
I'm sure you won't be alone but however many of of you there are, it won't even come close to being enough. You simply do not have the fire power to take on the American govt. Period.
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Just keep in mind, most of our military and law enforcement are private gun owners themselves.
 
Mason said:
What does the rest of the world think of a America.
Where the rights answer to school shooting is arm teachers.
It takes a special kind of sick mind to think that's a rational solution!
My thoughts and prayers are with these mind sick gun nut motherfuckers.
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Since it is a given that you will not eliminate guns tomorrow, what do you suggest in the interim?

Serious question.
Clearly arming teachers is unlikely but what about hardening school doors and having a specifically trained security officer?
Is that too great a cost?
 
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