They wont be able to control us much longer....

As long as a large minority of people are predisposed to believing conspiracies we are in trouble. They are dumb enough or conned, enough to believe the crap the right shovels on them. Trump lost the election badly. It is really that simple. He was not cheated. He did not have the votes. Court after court tells us all that. Rightys simply can not accept it.
In order for a huge conspiracy to exist, it would have to have someone running it. Who? Who can organize the entire election system undetected? How can it be that huge, and nobody broke ranks? It would have to all over, every state.
This is just too damn ridiculous to continue. Trump just got whipped. It is truly that easy.

RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA! :rolleyes:
 
Hillary Clinton is neither a criminal nor a traitor.

Traitor? Not really. Criminal. Absolutely. The most obvious is her e-mail server. ANYONE that has EVER had a government security clearance knows with absolute certainty if they did what she did, they'd go to prison for more than a decade. Her e-mail server violated a whole raft of federal laws, regulations, and agency rules. Nobody could have done that unknowingly or without full intent to circumvent those rules and laws. The Hildabeast is an unindicted multiple felon.

Trump is both on a magnitude far above anything HRC could even aspire to if she had such aspirations, which she does not.

Do give us some examples of that. Was Trump ever barred by the Securities and Exchange Commission like the Hildabeast was? (See her commodities trading). Have any Trump business partners in a joint venture Trump and they were in been convicted for criminal acts in that venture? (see Bill and the Hildabeast's involvement in Whitewater) Did Trump at any time do anything close to the quid pro quo and influence pedaling the Clinton's did (with others including AlGore) in the Chinagate scandal? How about the Hildabeast's illegal firing of the White House travel staff and fabricating false criminal charges against the travel office's manager so she could install her Hollywood friends (more quid pro quo)? How about her involvement in Filegate?

You seem to have no grasp of history here. The Hildabeast was (and probably still is) involved in one criminal, felonious, enterprise after another.

But in typical pot calling kettle black fashion, the right wing propaganda and disinformation pukers like you, tell the exact opposite of what is true, all for the edification of your own like minded liars and goofballs.

Then by all means prove it by showing us just how evil and criminal Trump is with some actual examples!
 
As long as a large minority of people are predisposed to believing conspiracies we are in trouble. They are dumb enough or conned, enough to believe the crap the right shovels on them. Trump lost the election badly. It is really that simple. He was not cheated. He did not have the votes. Court after court tells us all that. Rightys simply can not accept it.
In order for a huge conspiracy to exist, it would have to have someone running it. Who? Who can organize the entire election system undetected? How can it be that huge, and nobody broke ranks? It would have to all over, every state.
This is just too damn ridiculous to continue. Trump just got whipped. It is truly that easy.

The internet has given the lowest and worst scum a bullhorn. Sheep listen to them as much as to the bright and good.
 
Traitor? Not really. Criminal. Absolutely. The most obvious is her e-mail server. ANYONE that has EVER had a government security clearance knows with absolute certainty if they did what she did, they'd go to prison for more than a decade. Her e-mail server violated a whole raft of federal laws, regulations, and agency rules. Nobody could have done that unknowingly or without full intent to circumvent those rules and laws. The Hildabeast is an unindicted multiple felon.

Horse shit.

There have been countless high ranking officials (Colin Powell for one) who've used private servers of one type or another, even within the Trump WH....

https://www.google.com/search?q=private+emails+servers+common+amongst+govt+officials&rlz=1C1RFPM_enUS862US862&oq=private+emails+servers+common+amongst+govt+officials&aqs=chrome..69i57.17996j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Do give us some examples of that. Was Trump ever barred by the Securities and Exchange Commission like the Hildabeast was? (See her commodities trading). Have any Trump business partners in a joint venture Trump and they were in been convicted for criminal acts in that venture? (see Bill and the Hildabeast's involvement in Whitewater) Did Trump at any time do anything close to the quid pro quo and influence pedaling the Clinton's did (with others including AlGore) in the Chinagate scandal? How about the Hildabeast's illegal firing of the White House travel staff and fabricating false criminal charges against the travel office's manager so she could install her Hollywood friends (more quid pro quo)? How about her involvement in Filegate?

Ancient history. Trump "divested" his business interests by turning it over to Don Jr then charged the govt top dollar to hold official functions at his own resorts. I'm sure there are countless other scummy things he did like kicking everyone except one Russian translator out of a private meeting with Putin. I'm sure all they discussed was their mutual love of America and democracy.

You seem to have no grasp of history here. The Hildabeast was (and probably still is) involved in one criminal, felonious, enterprise after another.

No, but what you have is a highly selective one-sided grasp of history, much of it based on right-wing lies and exaggerations.

Then by all means prove it by showing us just how evil and criminal Trump is with some actual examples!

Why? Where are your sourced examples?

All you've done is toss around accusations and allegations.
 
Horse shit.

There have been countless high ranking officials (Colin Powell for one) who've used private servers of one type or another, even within the Trump WH....

https://www.google.com/search?q=private+emails+servers+common+amongst+govt+officials&rlz=1C1RFPM_enUS862US862&oq=private+emails+servers+common+amongst+govt+officials&aqs=chrome..69i57.17996j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You are using a tu quoque and no true Scotsman fallacy here. Not one example on that basic google search (which you obviously failed to even bother to pick actual examples from) set up their own, private, server in the basement of their home to do all or nearly all of their official government business on. You offer a fig leaf, of a canard, of an excuse in the form of a disingenuous and complete lie as rebuttal here.
Show one other high ranked government official that used a personal, private, e-mail server-- not some publicly available one like say gmail or whatever--for ALL or NEARLY ALL of their government communications like the Hildabeast did.
Show where other government officials of similar rank to the Hildabeast sent and received classified e-mails over those non-government, non secure, not rated for classified information servers.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...inton-defense-in-classified-information-cases
https://thefederalist.com/2015/08/20/hillary-clintons-classified-troubles/


Even Democrat friendly Factcheck.org grudgingly admits the Hildabeast is guilty as fuck

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/clintons-handling-of-classified-information/

This is now having repercussions for Biden's choices for people in his administration today.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/23/jake-sullivan-biden-national-security-adviser-clinton-emails/

Ancient history. Trump "divested" his business interests by turning it over to Don Jr then charged the govt top dollar to hold official functions at his own resorts. I'm sure there are countless other scummy things he did like kicking everyone except one Russian translator out of a private meeting with Putin. I'm sure all they discussed was their mutual love of America and democracy.

Another logical fallacy in an irrelevant appeal to time / history. Reagan regularly used his ranch as did Bush II as places they went when not at the White House. Both charged off these too. So did Carter. This isn't unusual. The rest of this is just a smear unless you have sources that are reasonably factual you can quote from.

No, but what you have is a highly selective one-sided grasp of history, much of it based on right-wing lies and exaggerations.

Ad hominem is meaningless. It is the rebuttal of those that have nothing to offer of substance.

Why? Where are your sourced examples?

Let's start with the obivous:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/...ls-of-bill-and-hillary-clinton-revealed.html/

I like this one. It's a whole page of links to all of the Clinton scandals which are so numerous they got their own page to link them all to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Clinton_administration_controversies

Here's a similar page that links just those of the Hildabeast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_controversies

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/24/clintons-top-10-pay-play-allegations/
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/10-scandals-involving-hillary-clinton-you-may-have-forgotten
https://www.thoughtco.com/hillary-clinton-scandals-and-controversies-3367580
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/12/bill-clinton-hillary-clinton-scandals-ranked-from-/
https://www.sebgorka.com/a-full-list-of-hillary-clintons-crimes/

All you've done is toss around accusations and allegations.

No, I'm making factual, clear, and concise historical evidence and presenting it.
 
I realize that every time I read one of your moronic posts.



We didn't deserve a pig like Trump, but thanks to the aforementioned "stoopid people", we got stuck with his fat, obnoxious, incompetent orange ass for four long years.


.

Maybe you should thank the fast food industry then, because undoubtedly it was their products that caused Covid to kill so many obese people in the US and push a bewildered Biden into office.
 
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Horse shit.

There have been countless high ranking officials (Colin Powell for one) who've used private servers of one type or another, even within the Trump WH....

https://www.google.com/search?q=private+emails+servers+common+amongst+govt+officials&rlz=1C1RFPM_enUS862US862&oq=private+emails+servers+common+amongst+govt+officials&aqs=chrome..69i57.17996j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8




Ancient history. Trump "divested" his business interests by turning it over to Don Jr then charged the govt top dollar to hold official functions at his own resorts. I'm sure there are countless other scummy things he did like kicking everyone except one Russian translator out of a private meeting with Putin. I'm sure all they discussed was their mutual love of America and democracy.



No, but what you have is a highly selective one-sided grasp of history, much of it based on right-wing lies and exaggerations.



Why? Where are your sourced examples?

All you've done is toss around accusations and allegations.

Bluster, bullshit and Bulverisms, pretty much sums you up!
 
People inherently just know that something is very wrong. That a narrative is being pushed by dark forces in an attempt to crush independent thought. It will fail, we the people WILL prevail. Mr Biden will not become POTUS. The jig,........... is almost up. Happy Thanksgiving,...and......Remember Remember the 5th of NOVEMBER...... ;)





1) nobody is trying to control you.
2) you are a poor delusional Trumpper, I’m sorry you fell for his stupidity, maybe next time you will be smarter.
 
People inherently just know that something is very wrong. That a narrative is being pushed by dark forces in an attempt to crush independent thought. It will fail, we the people WILL prevail. Mr Biden will not become POTUS. The jig,........... is almost up. Happy Thanksgiving,...and......Remember Remember the 5th of NOVEMBER...... ;)






mobility scooters run amok
 
You are using a tu quoque and no true Scotsman fallacy here. Not one example on that basic google search (which you obviously failed to even bother to pick actual examples from) set up their own, private, server in the basement of their home to do all or nearly all of their official government business on. You offer a fig leaf, of a canard, of an excuse in the form of a disingenuous and complete lie as rebuttal here.
Show one other high ranked government official that used a personal, private, e-mail server-- not some publicly available one like say gmail or whatever--for ALL or NEARLY ALL of their government communications like the Hildabeast did.
Show where other government officials of similar rank to the Hildabeast sent and received classified e-mails over those non-government, non secure, not rated for classified information servers.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...inton-defense-in-classified-information-cases
https://thefederalist.com/2015/08/20/hillary-clintons-classified-troubles/


Even Democrat friendly Factcheck.org grudgingly admits the Hildabeast is guilty as fuck

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/clintons-handling-of-classified-information/

This is now having repercussions for Biden's choices for people in his administration today.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/23/jake-sullivan-biden-national-security-adviser-clinton-emails/



Another logical fallacy in an irrelevant appeal to time / history. Reagan regularly used his ranch as did Bush II as places they went when not at the White House. Both charged off these too. So did Carter. This isn't unusual. The rest of this is just a smear unless you have sources that are reasonably factual you can quote from.



Ad hominem is meaningless. It is the rebuttal of those that have nothing to offer of substance.



Let's start with the obivous:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/...ls-of-bill-and-hillary-clinton-revealed.html/

I like this one. It's a whole page of links to all of the Clinton scandals which are so numerous they got their own page to link them all to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Clinton_administration_controversies

Here's a similar page that links just those of the Hildabeast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_controversies

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/24/clintons-top-10-pay-play-allegations/
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/10-scandals-involving-hillary-clinton-you-may-have-forgotten
https://www.thoughtco.com/hillary-clinton-scandals-and-controversies-3367580
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/12/bill-clinton-hillary-clinton-scandals-ranked-from-/
https://www.sebgorka.com/a-full-list-of-hillary-clintons-crimes/



No, I'm making factual, clear, and concise historical evidence and presenting it.

PROVE HRC USED HER PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER TO COMMIT A CRIME, ASSHOLE.

They investigated her inside and out.

What did they find????

NOTHING.

If there was no criminal intent then there was no crime.

Using the server was not a crime if she didn't use it for anything illegal, you dumbfuck sore loser turd.

And your sources are nothing more than right-wing mouthpieces.

Wikipedia????? :palm:

:fu:

BTW: it's highly amusing for me to see how I can make you jump through hoops like a trained dog.

:laugh:
 
We could start with this one:

18 U.S. Code § 2071.Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

(a)Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b)Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

In setting up and using the e-mail server she did, along with her actions afterwards when caught and exposed on using it, she violated this section of US code. There is ZERO argument to the contrary here.
That the government failed or declined to prosecute does not absolve her of having committed the crime, just of being charged and convicted of it.

She also violated

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

(a)Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1)falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2)makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3)makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.
(b)Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.
(c)With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—
(1)administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
(2)any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

In particular, she repeatedly claimed she never received any classified e-mails on that server, something that was subsequently shown to be utterly false. Her claim of supposedly not knowing they were classified that she subsequently used is irrelevant. Not knowing is not an excuse when handling classified information.

That's sufficient proof of her chargeable crimes, whether you like it or not, and demolishes your response.
 
People inherently just know that something is very wrong. That a narrative is being pushed by dark forces in an attempt to crush independent thought. It will fail, we the people WILL prevail. Mr Biden will not become POTUS. The jig,........... is almost up. Happy Thanksgiving,...and......Remember Remember the 5th of NOVEMBER...... ;)

Obviously, Biden will be President on January 20th... But the rest of this post scares me.

trump supporters are one of the few groups on earth losing life expectancy. Their personal decisions have led to social collapse. They are abusing drugs, refusing to work, and dropping into a fantasy world. They are quite right in thinking there is something very wrong with this, but it is not Biden who is cooking the meth.

And they have been fed on fantasies of violent terrorist revenge on those that are not descending into their personal hells with them. Now they are saying no one will be able to control them, and they will begin attacking people.

Of course they cannot overthrow the government, but they can murder thousands of people. They might be able to murder a million people if you include disease transmission into the statistics. They will do a lot of damage to the economy.

None of this is good, but it is all far better than having trump as president. It is sad that the only argument for trump being president is how violent his worshipers will become if he is not elected.
 
Was Trump ever barred by the Securities and Exchange Commission like the Hildabeast was? (See her commodities trading).

Clinton is not barred from anything. No one could come up with anything she did wrong in trading cattle futures, so there was no punishment. She is allowed to trade any type of stocks or derivatives she wants.

Gardner is so wrapped up in his fantasies, he believes all he has to do is say something, and it becomes true. There are facts in the world, and among them is that Clinton has not been barred by the SEC.

Now whether trump can ever setup a charity is an open question. He can still appeal that ban.

How about the Hildabeast's illegal firing of the White House travel staff and fabricating false criminal charges against the travel office's manager

The Travel Office is made up of political appointees. The President can fire them for any reason he wants. That is not illegal. In fact, Reagan fired the entire Travel Office staff, including a Republican.

Bookkeeping is all about knowing where the money went. At best the bookkeeping done by the Republican Travel Office was incompetent. Over a million dollars went missing, which does mean there should be a criminal investigation. The claim that it was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be criminal does not mean there should not have been an investigation. They took large amounts of cash out of the funds with no explanation of where it went. That will get you fired and criminally investigated anywhere.
 
you actually did deserve that by choosing to nominate an obvious criminal and traitor in the name of hillary clinton
Really?
After 12 years and 9 investigations, no one is in jail, no even charged.
Is Clinton that smart or are republicans that stupid.
Meanwhile 5 Trumpsters went to jail (so far) in less than 4 years of his regime.
 
'That a narrative is being pushed by dark forces in an attempt to crush independent thought'.
There is but all that will end on January 20th 2021.
"It will fail".
Not in the least, it worked bigly on the Trump cult.
"we the people WILL prevail".
Already did.
By 306-232 electoral votes.
 
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