They said he’d never be released!

T. A. Gardner said:
They brought him back to make an example out of him. A federal judge started this shitfest by ordering him returned to the US for yet another hearing. The MSM made a, to use a turn of phrase, federal case out of it. The federal government doesn't like losing in court so Garcia became the latest person to be handed a shit sandwich by the courts.

Now, instead of just being deported, he's looking at a choice of either spending years in a federal prison followed by deportation or being deported to Uganda. What started as a routine deportation has turned into a total assfucking of Garcia and he's not even the one really at the heart of it. Instead, it's asshole Leftist activists who are doing it in his name, and the harder they fight the more Garcia gets fucked.

This isn't going to end well for Garcia.
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If they actually have evidence of human trafficking I’m ok with him spending the rest of his life in prison.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
My bet is, he can't find a way to. First, he'd need passport which he doesn't have. The US isn't giving him one, and El Salvador won't so... Second, he'd need the cash to buy the ticket and with the shit job choices he'll have that's going to be hard to come by too. Then there's the language problem... El Salvador doesn't even have a consulate there.

He's on a one-way trip to a raw ass fucking if you ask me.
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I agree with you.

So the question is how is that not unconstitutional cruel and unusual punishment.


Trump is taking all sorts of people who walked to America with no paper work, and no money and sending them to to other continents and often war zones or hellish prisons for things he could not punish them in that way in America. He is outsourcing punishment via distance, isolation, lack of language and lack of documentation.

Do you agree with that as anything approximating justice?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They brought him back to make an example out of him. A federal judge started this shitfest by ordering him returned to the US for yet another hearing. The MSM made a, to use a turn of phrase, federal case out of it. The federal government doesn't like losing in court so Garcia became the latest person to be handed a shit sandwich by the courts.

Now, instead of just being deported, he's looking at a choice of either spending years in a federal prison followed by deportation or being deported to Uganda. What started as a routine deportation has turned into a total assfucking of Garcia and he's not even the one really at the heart of it. Instead, it's asshole Leftist activists who are doing it in his name, and the harder they fight the more Garcia gets fucked.

This isn't going to end well for Garcia.
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The power of the law was proven, they had no choice but to bring him back.

I don’t care about Garcia, I care about the rule of law. It won!

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QP! said:
I agree with you.

So the question is how is that not unconstitutional cruel and unusual punishment.
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He's deportable, and no amount of court hearings will change that. The only question is "Where does he get deported to?" The feds are giving him a Hobson's choice: Uganda will take you so you are going to a "safe" location not El Salvador where you claim you'll be repressed by the government or you can plead out to human smuggling, etc., and go to Costa Rica who will take you (and likely toss you in jail there too).

Activist judges forced this situation onto Garcia by interfering with the normal deportation process--and yes, Garcia was adjudicated as deportable twice. Now, he's getting fucked because of the optics and politics that go with his case. This isn't new or unusual either. There have been many people given such choices because they gamed the system and the system gamed them back.
QP! said:
Trump is taking all sorts of people who walked to America with no paper work, and no money and sending them to to other continents and often war zones or hellish prisons for things he could not punish them in that way in America. He is outsourcing punishment via distance, isolation, lack of language and lack of documentation.

Do you agree with that as anything approximating justice?
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Prisons like the one in El Salvador I don't have a problem with. If you are a gangster, too bad for you. If your country of origin won't take you back, that's between them and you. You shouldn't have snuck into the US illegally.

Justice for illegals is you get caught. You get a hearing or trial. You receive a verdict. If it is against you, you get deported. There is ZERO justification to take someone for asylum on the basis of poverty, economic hardship, or crime where you came from. Those are problems for you and your fellow countrymen to fix there. El Salvador did exactly that. They started locking up all the gangsters in a brutal prison to solve the problem and solve it that did. We might not agree or like it, but it worked for El Salvador.

There is no justice in someone entering the US illegally, gaming the system with the help of activists and sympathetic lawyers, who have no real claim to asylum or reason to justify their presence and who manage to use the slow-moving justice system to stay for decades avoiding deportation. Justice delayed is justice denied. That's what that "speedy trial" stuff in the Constitution is all about.
 
Tobytone said:
Congratulations you finally won something. This really should be a great issue for you guys to run on. I'm excited for you. I'm sure all those Democrats will rush right back to the disintegrating party of insane morons when they get the news. This has been a brilliant strategy of the libtards and a beautiful win. Again congratulations.
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He has rights that Trump totally ignored. Trump was wrong throughout the whole thing. He still wants to punish a guy who did no crime, but committed the sin of being brown.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
He's deportable, and no amount of court hearings will change that. The only question is "Where does he get deported to?" The feds are giving him a Hobson's choice: Uganda will take you so you are going to a "safe" location not El Salvador where you claim you'll be repressed by the government or you can plead out to human smuggling, etc., and go to Costa Rica who will take you (and likely toss you in jail there too).

Activist judges forced this situation onto Garcia by interfering with the normal deportation process--and yes, Garcia was adjudicated as deportable twice. Now, he's getting fucked because of the optics and politics that go with his case. This isn't new or unusual either. There have been many people given such choices because they gamed the system and the system gamed them back.

Prisons like the one in El Salvador I don't have a problem with. If you are a gangster, too bad for you. If your country of origin won't take you back, that's between them and you. You shouldn't have snuck into the US illegally.

Justice for illegals is you get caught. You get a hearing or trial. You receive a verdict. If it is against you, you get deported. There is ZERO justification to take someone for asylum on the basis of poverty, economic hardship, or crime where you came from. Those are problems for you and your fellow countrymen to fix there. El Salvador did exactly that. They started locking up all the gangsters in a brutal prison to solve the problem and solve it that did. We might not agree or like it, but it worked for El Salvador.

There is no justice in someone entering the US illegally, gaming the system with the help of activists and sympathetic lawyers, who have no real claim to asylum or reason to justify their presence and who manage to use the slow-moving justice system to stay for decades avoiding deportation. Justice delayed is justice denied. That's what that "speedy trial" stuff in the Constitution is all about.
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Good with me, as long as PP bows to the rule of law.

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Nordberg said:
He has rights that Trump totally ignored. Trump was wrong throughout the whole thing. He still wants to punish a guy who did no crime, but committed the sin of being brown.
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What rights did he gain? The right to be deported because multiple courts found him so? The right to a trial for criminal charges he wouldn't have faced had it not been for activist judges and the MSM stepping in and publicizing his case?

What did he gain? Seems to me the very people purporting to help him ended up fucking him hard and raw. Now he's almost certain to end up with multiple felonies and be deported anyway. They did him no favors.
 
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Jarod said:
Good with me, as long as PP bows to the rule of law.

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Yea, but the "rule of law" applied by 'rules lawyers'

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on the Left has screwed this guy over far worse than if they had left him alone. Sometimes, less is more.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
He's deportable, and no amount of court hearings will change that. The only question is "Where does he get deported to?" The feds are giving him a Hobson's choice: Uganda will take you so you are going to a "safe" location not El Salvador where you claim you'll be repressed by the government or you can plead out to human smuggling, etc., and go to Costa Rica who will take you (and likely toss you in jail there too).

Activist judges forced this situation onto Garcia by interfering with the normal deportation process--and yes, Garcia was adjudicated as deportable twice. Now, he's getting fucked because of the optics and politics that go with his case. This isn't new or unusual either. There have been many people given such choices because they gamed the system and the system gamed them back.

Prisons like the one in El Salvador I don't have a problem with. If you are a gangster, too bad for you. If your country of origin won't take you back, that's between them and you. You shouldn't have snuck into the US illegally.

Justice for illegals is you get caught. You get a hearing or trial. You receive a verdict. If it is against you, you get deported. There is ZERO justification to take someone for asylum on the basis of poverty, economic hardship, or crime where you came from. Those are problems for you and your fellow countrymen to fix there. El Salvador did exactly that. They started locking up all the gangsters in a brutal prison to solve the problem and solve it that did. We might not agree or like it, but it worked for El Salvador.

There is no justice in someone entering the US illegally, gaming the system with the help of activists and sympathetic lawyers, who have no real claim to asylum or reason to justify their presence and who manage to use the slow-moving justice system to stay for decades avoiding deportation. Justice delayed is justice denied. That's what that "speedy trial" stuff in the Constitution is all about.
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Courts have always found there was reasonable limits and certain rights of due process if you are going to punish anyone as a criminal, as Guantanamo Bay and other instances have proven.

Do you think it reasonable and anything resembling proportional if a person has done nothing but enter the country illegally to then take that person who has no money and no documents and put them on a continent that where they do not speak the language?

Even if they want to go back home they cannot walk across the ocean. With base language skills they cannot integrate where they are.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yea, but the "rule of law" applied by 'rules lawyers'

A rules lawyer is a term used to describe a participant in a rules-based environment who attempts to use the letter of the law without reference to the spirit, usually in order to gain an advantage within that environment. The term is commonly used in wargaming and tabletop role-playing game communities, often pejoratively, as the "rules lawyer" is seen as an impediment to moving the game forward. The habit of players to argue in a legal fashion over rule implementation was noted early on in the history of Dungeons & Dragons. Rules lawyers are one of the "player styles" covered in Dungeon Master for Dummies. The rules of the game Munchkin include various parodies of rules lawyer behavior.

Rules lawyer - Wikipedia

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on the Left has screwed this guy over far worse than if they had left him alone. Sometimes, less is more.
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I don’t know about all that, what I care about is that we have a limited constitutional executive and not a king.

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