‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

", you seem to have difficulty supposing something as complicated as the universe just always existed..." FA #960
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Add me to that list.
The definitions for eternity vary.

There are serious mysteries astrophysicists haven't answered yet.

They think our cosmos began with a bang, a big one.

BUT !!

Is this a unique bang? Or is it just the next in a cycle that's repeated an unknown number of times?

What was the original beginning?

And is the cosmos infinite? Or not? And if not, what limits it?
 
sear said:
Add me to that list.
The definitions for eternity vary.

There are serious mysteries astrophysicists haven't answered yet.

They think our cosmos began with a bang, a big one.

BUT !!

Is this a unique bang? Or is it just the next in a cycle that's repeated an unknown number of times?

What was the original beginning?

And is the cosmos infinite? Or not? And if not, what limits it?
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It is a very complicated thing, Sear...and for us as a species just recently out of the trees...it is presumptuous to suppose we KNOW or CAN FIGURE OUT the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

But my point was that if one has a problem supposing that something as complicated as our universe that "just is"...it makes precious little sense to then suppose something even MORE COMPLICATED (like a god) "just is."

If a god can simply be...and always has been...why not a universe that simply is...and always has been?
 
Some believe biological life began here on Earth.
A more recent explanation suggests biology began on Mars, somehow got ejected beyond Mars' gravitational influence, and subsequently entered Earth's prospective biosphere.
How biological life could survive meteorite status, I'm not sure.

I've never read any suggestion from a credible source that life began both on Mars, and again on Earth.

So I'll assume biological life is somewhat rare, if not unique in the cosmos.

There may be millions of other civilizations, some without Democrats, wafting through the cosmos. - dandy -

BUT !!

a) We know of only one that passes for civilization, our own.

b) If interstellar, or perhaps intergalactic space travel, or time travel is possible, why haven't any such travelers stopped off here? We're easy to find. Spectroscopic analysis of Earth from very far away would provide indications of our industrial activity.

And we've been blasting radio signals into space since 1901, over a century.
That means we've created a: "HEA!! WE'RE OVER HERE !!" sign in space that's over 200 light years in diameter.

I agree that if it took a billion years for the amoeba to evolve AFTER the big bang, it doesn't seem to make sense that an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent deity evolve BEFORE creation.

BUT !!

That's what the "experts" claim. Thus my agnosticism.

- Atheism defines a person for what they do not believe.
I'm not sure self-definition in the negative makes much sense, strutting about boasting about what one is not. THUS !!

- I'm an agnostic. We merely confess our ignorance.
We're aware there are both natural, and supernatural explanations. We retain an open mind, regardless of our suspicions.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 10 Aug. 1787
 
sear said:
Some believe biological life began here on Earth.
A more recent explanation suggests biology began on Mars, somehow got ejected beyond Mars' gravitational influence, and subsequently entered Earth's prospective biosphere.
How biological life could survive meteorite status, I'm not sure.

I've never read any suggestion from a credible source that life began both on Mars, and again on Earth.

So I'll assume biological life is somewhat rare, if not unique in the cosmos.

There may be millions of other civilizations, some without Democrats, wafting through the cosmos. - dandy -

BUT !!

a) We know of only one that passes for civilization, our own.

b) If interstellar, or perhaps intergalactic space travel, or time travel is possible, why haven't any such travelers stopped off here? We're easy to find. Spectroscopic analysis of Earth from very far away would provide indications of our industrial activity.

And we've been blasting radio signals into space since 1901, over a century.
That means we've created a: "HEA!! WE'RE OVER HERE !!" sign in space that's over 200 light years in diameter.

I agree that if it took a billion years for the amoeba to evolve AFTER the big bang, it doesn't seem to make sense that an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent deity evolve BEFORE creation.

BUT !!

That's what the "experts" claim. Thus my agnosticism.

- Atheism defines a person for what they do not believe.
I'm not sure self-definition in the negative makes much sense, strutting about boasting about what one is not. THUS !!

- I'm an agnostic. We merely confess our ignorance.
We're aware there are both natural, and supernatural explanations. We retain an open mind, regardless of our suspicions.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 10 Aug. 1787
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Sounds good. I don't particularly like descriptors. They always leave room for interpretation.

Here is my take on the question (obviously a rather agnostic position):

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.
 
Frank Apisa said:
None of what you are saying makes any sense to me.

You are a walking propaganda machine for "there is a god."

In any case, you seem to have difficulty supposing something as complicated as the universe just always existed...

...but have no problem supposing something infinitely MORE COMPLICATED (a god) always existed.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
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I refer to my previous post about what makes sense to man, and the wisdom of God! Have a nice day!
 
guano, why do you pretend Bart D. Ehrman is a biblical scholar?........he rejects all the collected data of real biblical scholars as lies.....he's just another atheist crackpot.......
 
FA #964

Not bad. Here are a few I've collected along the way:

“The debate between science and religion ended when churches put lightning rods on their steeples.” shiftless2

“Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?” ― Epicurus (341-270BC)
 
sear said:
Some believe biological life began here on Earth.
A more recent explanation suggests biology began on Mars, somehow got ejected beyond Mars' gravitational influence, and subsequently entered Earth's prospective biosphere.
How biological life could survive meteorite status, I'm not sure.

I've never read any suggestion from a credible source that life began both on Mars, and again on Earth.

So I'll assume biological life is somewhat rare, if not unique in the cosmos.

There may be millions of other civilizations, some without Democrats, wafting through the cosmos. - dandy -

BUT !!

a) We know of only one that passes for civilization, our own.

b) If interstellar, or perhaps intergalactic space travel, or time travel is possible, why haven't any such travelers stopped off here? We're easy to find. Spectroscopic analysis of Earth from very far away would provide indications of our industrial activity.

And we've been blasting radio signals into space since 1901, over a century.
That means we've created a: "HEA!! WE'RE OVER HERE !!" sign in space that's over 200 light years in diameter.

I agree that if it took a billion years for the amoeba to evolve AFTER the big bang, it doesn't seem to make sense that an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent deity evolve BEFORE creation.

BUT !!

That's what the "experts" claim. Thus my agnosticism.

- Atheism defines a person for what they do not believe.
I'm not sure self-definition in the negative makes much sense, strutting about boasting about what one is not. THUS !!

- I'm an agnostic. We merely confess our ignorance.
We're aware there are both natural, and supernatural explanations. We retain an open mind, regardless of our suspicions.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 10 Aug. 1787
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That is great where did it all start?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
guano, why do you pretend Bart D. Ehrman is a biblical scholar?........he rejects all the collected data of real biblical scholars as lies.....he's just another atheist crackpot.......
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Ehrman grew up in Lawrence, Kansas, and attended Lawrence High School, where he was on the state champion debate team in 1973. He began studying the Bible and the Biblical languages at Moody Bible Institute, where he earned the school's three-year diploma in 1976.[1] He is a 1978 graduate of Wheaton College in Illinois, where he received his bachelor's degree. He received his PhD (in 1985) and M.Div. from Princeton Theological Seminary, where he studied under Bruce Metzger. Both baccalaureate and doctorate were conferred magna cum laude.[2]

Ehrman recounts becoming a born-again, fundamentalist Christian as a teenager. He recounts being certain in his youthful enthusiasm that God had inspired the wording of the Bible and protected its texts from all error. His desire to understand the original words of the Bible led him to the study of ancient languages and to textual criticism. During his graduate studies, however, he became convinced that there are contradictions and discrepancies in the biblical manuscripts that could not be harmonized or reconciled. He remained a liberal Christian for 15 years but later became an agnostic atheist after struggling with the philosophical problems of evil and suffering.[1][3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman



https://www.bartdehrman.com/curriculum-vitae/
 
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guno said:
Ehrman grew up in Lawrence, Kansas, and attended Lawrence High School, where he was on the state champion debate team in 1973. He began studying the Bible and the Biblical languages at Moody Bible Institute, where he earned the school's three-year diploma in 1976.[1] He is a 1978 graduate of Wheaton College in Illinois, where he received his bachelor's degree. He received his PhD (in 1985) and M.Div. from Princeton Theological Seminary, where he studied under Bruce Metzger. Both baccalaureate and doctorate were conferred magna cum laude.[2]

Ehrman recounts becoming a born-again, fundamentalist Christian as a teenager. He recounts being certain in his youthful enthusiasm that God had inspired the wording of the Bible and protected its texts from all error. His desire to understand the original words of the Bible led him to the study of ancient languages and to textual criticism. During his graduate studies, however, he became convinced that there are contradictions and discrepancies in the biblical manuscripts that could not be harmonized or reconciled. He remained a liberal Christian for 15 years but later became an agnostic atheist after struggling with the philosophical problems of evil and suffering.[1][3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman



https://www.bartdehrman.com/curriculum-vitae/
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One of the problems I have with using descriptors rather than actually describing a position on this issue is...that one has to interpret what it means.

What in hell is an "agnostic atheist?"

What was his position on the question, "In the REALITY of existence...do any gods exist or not?"
 
Frank Apisa said:
One of the problems I have with using descriptors rather than actually describing a position on this issue is...that one has to interpret what it means.

What in hell is an "agnostic atheist?"

What was his position on the question, "In the REALITY of existence...do any gods exist or not?"
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I think the only possible answer is 'It seems unlikely, but I suppose all things are possible'. I can't see why we have to label ourselves according to out-moded beliefs or let some other person decide these matters for us.
 
guno said:
Ehrman grew up in Lawrence, Kansas, and attended Lawrence High School, where he was on the state champion debate team in 1973. He began studying the Bible and the Biblical languages at Moody Bible Institute, where he earned the school's three-year diploma in 1976.[1] He is a 1978 graduate of Wheaton College in Illinois, where he received his bachelor's degree. He received his PhD (in 1985) and M.Div. from Princeton Theological Seminary, where he studied under Bruce Metzger. Both baccalaureate and doctorate were conferred magna cum laude.[2]

Ehrman recounts becoming a born-again, fundamentalist Christian as a teenager. He recounts being certain in his youthful enthusiasm that God had inspired the wording of the Bible and protected its texts from all error. His desire to understand the original words of the Bible led him to the study of ancient languages and to textual criticism. During his graduate studies, however, he became convinced that there are contradictions and discrepancies in the biblical manuscripts that could not be harmonized or reconciled. He remained a liberal Christian for 15 years but later became an agnostic atheist after struggling with the philosophical problems of evil and suffering.[1][3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman



https://www.bartdehrman.com/curriculum-vitae/
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and once he became an atheist he threw away everything he learned and started making shit up........again I ask, why do you pretend he's a biblical scholar?.....
 
"That is great where did it all start?" W #969
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Astrophysicists say both time and space started with the big bang.

BUT !!

There is much we do not know about astrophysics.

For example, we've known since Doppler that our cosmos is expanding. Not merely that objects in space are traveling apart; but that space itself is expanding.

BUT !!

Astrophysicists were so sure that the rate of cosmic expansion was slowing down due to gravitational braking, they didn't bother to check,

until about a decade ago.

And what they found when they checked is not merely that they can forget about gravitational braking slowing expansion down.

But that the cosmic expansion is accelerating.

This violates Sir Isaac Newton's first law of motion *.

No body knows what is powering this accelerating cosmic expansion.
"That is great where did it all start?" W #969
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Astrophysicists say both time and space started with the big bang.

What we do not know is if this is the very first big bang and cosmos, of it's merely the current one, in a potentially endless succession of universes.

* 1st Law of Motion: If the vector sum of the forces acting on an object is zero, then the velocity change of the object will remain zero (leaving it at rest if it is at rest, and leaving it at its velocity if it is not).
 
Wolverine said:
Do you believe in evolution?
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I do not do "believing"...and I do not know for sure what you mean when you ask "believe in" evolution.

IF you are asking me if I think modern humans evolved from ancestors who were much more primitive beings...I would say that anthropologists have uncovered lots of evidence to show that to be the case.

If you are asking me if I think it more likely that modern humans came into being through evolutionary means than by having some god fashion them in the manner described in the Bible...I would respond, "Yes, that seems more likely to me."

The Genesis stories seem to me to be rather silly fables.

Is that what you were asking me?
 
Anyone that doesn't believe in evolution should sell their Escalade, and drive a Stutz Bearcat instead.
And if they're reading this suggestion on a computer screen, sell the computer and buy an abacus.
 
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