There are 120 guns for every 100 Americans

[Dutch Uncle]

Boy...... you do not pay attention.

I have pretty much the biggest dick here.

Compared to Trump?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Compared to Trump?

You must improve your civility to gain privilege's from me.

Or be helpful just one time.

Either/Or.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I am a socialist after all.....

 

[Matt Dillon]

I got 120 rounds and can hit a noggin with every single fucking one if you push me.

You think these "mass murderers" can kill, you fucking retarded leftists?

Keep pushing your bullshit, motherfuckers.

You're gonna fuck around and find out you shouldn't have.

By the time you realize you shouldn't have pushed the Communism so hard; Americans that know what they're doing are going to be out for your blood, and they're gonna get your commie ass, and you will deserve it all for trying

to push that in America. I'm telling you like it is.

I suggest you pipe down, but you won't, and TBH I wouldn't have it any other way.

Push 1 more button you pieces of shit. We've been waiting for this for a long time.

 

[Grokmaster]

 

[leaningright]

I have 20+

AFAIK, only the bolt action rifles have been "weapons of war" and possible hurt others. The rest are 100% innocent.

Same with me … not sure but I have 20-30 plus guns. The bolt guns (303 British, 6.5 Italian Carcano, a couple of 6.5 Jap rifles) were at one time weapons of war. The semi-autos, not counting the 4 pistols for carrying, were not and are all for hunting. The one I have used the most for hunting is the same one that’s favored by many hired assassins.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You must improve your civility to gain privilege's from me.

Or be helpful just one time.

Either/Or.

Sooo....same as Trump?

 

[Into the Night]

I support the 2nd amendment, and the right to own a gun.

Bullshit. You want to ban guns. You deny the 2nd amendment and the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of the several States with it.

But there is something wrong w/ America. Gun ownership has a near-religious devotion among some segments of the population. We hear "God, guns & gays" from voters in some regions, and for many, it is the top voting issue. Every small regulation or background check is a "slippery slope." The NRA refuses to postpone or move a large event that is taking place within days of a devastating shooting in a nearby location.

Background checks to own a gun is unconstitutional. Government banning or limiting guns or any other weapon in any way is unconstitutional. You discard the Constitution of the United States.

Like Trump support, it's a bit of a cult,

You are describing yourself and your own hoplophobia.

and always a battle for those who are believers. The government is just an entity that wants to "grab their guns."

You are describing yourself and your own hoplophobia. You WANT the government to ban and limit weapons. That is against the Constitution that defines that very government.

We're unique in the world in this respect. The 2nd country on the list has half the guns per capita that America does.

Irrelevant.

We're a gun nation.

Deal with it.

 

[Into the Night]

So, it's a topic for discussion. We lead the world in gun ownership, and in gun violence. This is not a coincidence.

It's worth discussing. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe people are fine that we lead the world in gun violence, and this is just the way it is.

Define The Problem. You have to define The Problem before you can search for a solution.
The presence of guns is not The Problem. Millions of people own guns and are not committing any type of crime with them. Further, if they DO witness a crime in progress, they can STOP IT before violent crime gets very far.

 

[Into the Night]

It's an irrelevance. Guns aren't the problem, crazy people, criminals, and such are. Without guns we'd still have just as much violence, only it'd be with knives, hammers, or whatever instead.

The place to start is trying to reduce, or at least restrict, the ability of the crazy, insane, drug addled, and emotionally unstable from getting access to guns. Criminals are going to be a problem regardless. That's true anywhere. I've already suggested a more flexible approach to restricting access to firearms one where you put someone on "The List" fairly easy with some evidence, but they can get off that list fairly easily by contacting the authorities and being interviewed.

That would massively cut down on gun violence on its own. The current system is difficult to put someone on the Red Flag list, and once you are on that list it's nearly impossible to get off it. That 0 - 1 approach is wrong. We need a middle way.

There are a few factors causing such craziness.
* The presence of social media and TikTok, allowing easy infamy to anyone.
* Democrats quite probably staging such violence to further their ends. It's not like they haven't done THAT before!
* Psychoquacks prescribing mind altering drugs that causes homicidal tendencies upon withdrawal from them.
* Gun free zones.
* Gangs and organized crime.

 

[Into the Night]

People always say the bolded. Is it true?

How do we know?

Is it a total coincidence that we lead the world in gun ownership by a significant margin - and we also lead the world in gun violence by a significant margin? Do other countries not have similar issues w/ mental health?

It seems like there is only one variable in the equation, and it's getting harder to deny.

Irrelevant. The right of self defense is inherent. The government has NO authority to ban or limit any weapon.

 

[Into the Night]

Most of these mass shootings are not the scores of released criminals, or violent gangs, or related to the border, or drug-related.

They all are...so far.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Sooo....same as Trump?

Please acknowledge that you understand.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Same with me … not sure but I have 20-30 plus guns. The bolt guns (303 British, 6.5 Italian Carcano, a couple of 6.5 Jap rifles) were at one time weapons of war. The semi-autos, not counting the 4 pistols for carrying, were not and are all for hunting. The one I have used the most for hunting is the same one that’s favored by many hired assassins.

A few of mine were inherited. Now I'm in a situation of having too many to clean. I was going to try and sell them but since the Democrats have made that so difficult I'm thinking of just giving them away.

 

[Into the Night]

Exactly. When I was a kid I hunted Rabbit in the winter, Grouse in the fall, Duck, Geese, Deer. We always had a 22 in there as well but that was never for hunting. That was just for target practice screwing around and to teach younger kids how to shoot because the rounds were so cheap.

A .22 or even a powerful pellet gun with a scope is good for pest control.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I am a socialist after all.....

It's no secret you favor Xi over America.

 

[Into the Night]

the founders experienced tyranny from their own government. A government that realized in order to control them, they had to disarm them..................therefore, wanting to remain in a free state, the founders chose to recognize that the people had an unalienable right to remain armed with all arms that the government would have in order to remain in a free state.

Exactly. The founders recognized the inherent right of self defense, both for a State, and for the individual.

 

[Into the Night]

Of course. I've said many times since last week that there are many factors here.

But this post & the one about knives are a bit off. How many people can you kill with a knife or samurai sword? Don't say the same #.

Easily the same number.

 

[Into the Night]

Bullshit. Ramos was not a criminal released by Biden (he didn't release anyone) and Ramos was not a member of any gang, he was a US citizen. the ignorant right wing shithead strikes out again.

Ramos was a criminal with a criminal record.

 

[Into the Night]

My father's guns hung on my bedroom walls when I was a kid, all 46 of them. The ammo was in an unlocked dresser drawer. No one was ever shot. In fact, not one of those guns was ever pointed at anyone. Anyone know why?

Your father respected you kids and taught you about guns properly.