The Warnings

Solitary said:
That is the thing I see as a good reason for working from a centrist position, that he needs to stay for 8.

The things that we need will not be quick to get started or quick to show results.
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and what we really need will not always be enjoyable or pain free.
will he have the balls to do what is needed is my main question on Obama.
 
Solitary said:
That is the thing I see as a good reason for working from a centrist position, that he needs to stay for 8.

The things that we need will not be quick to get started or quick to show results.
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That's one of the real bummers about the 4-year term. Many measures that could really help Americans often take longer than this to come to fruition, and it's against the office-holders interest to actually pursue them....
 
Solitary said:
That is the thing I see as a good reason for working from a centrist position, that he needs to stay for 8.

The things that we need will not be quick to get started or quick to show results.
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here is the problem - everyone has a different definition of "centrist".

He ran on a platform of universal health care. a plan set up to create competition between a singlepayer medicare like system and the private sector. many analysts believe the eventual outcome of that will be a morphing into single payer. anyone who thinks obama is not aware of this, is fooling themselves.

he ran on a platorm of a green revolution, which would also create a tremendous amount of jobs.

he ran on a platform of huge investments into infrastructure, FDR like.

So you know, if you want to call those center postions, that's cool. a rose by any other name.

but what you are going to see is the right-defined center is going to move to the left. you might never call it center left. klatu might never call it center left. but the fact is that the center has been moved to the right since reagan, and you are going to see it move left, and we will still call it the center.

the new center left will be things like real and true sentencing reform, legalization of pot etc. that's where grass roots pressure is going to have to be brought to bear on him.
 
Onceler said:
That's one of the real bummers about the 4-year term. Many measures that could really help Americans often take longer than this to come to fruition, and it's against the office-holders interest to actually pursue them....
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But just think if it were an expanded term during the Bush years.
 
I don't think the legalization of pot (or any other drug) is going to be called center in my lifetime. Thinks like health care reform, investments in infrastructure, etc. I think are definitely center and people like Rove/Bush/Cheney are far right of that.
 
Darla said:
here is the problem - everyone has a different definition of "centrist".

He ran on a platform of universal health care. a plan set up to create competition between a singlepayer medicare like system and the private sector. many analysts believe the eventual outcome of that will be a morphing into single payer. anyone who thinks obama is not aware of this, is fooling themselves.

he ran on a platorm of a green revolution, which would also create a tremendous amount of jobs.

he ran on a platform of huge investments into infrastructure, FDR like.

So you know, if you want to call those center postions, that's cool. a rose by any other name.

but what you are going to see is the right-defined center is going to move to the left. you might never call it center left. klatu might never call it center left. but the fact is that the center has been moved to the right since reagan, and you are going to see it move left, and we will still call it the center.

the new center left will be things like real and true sentencing reform, legalization of pot etc. that's where grass roots pressure is going to have to be brought to bear on him.
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The universal healthcare is going to be seen as left of center. That is going to be a tough fight and I see it getting bogged down or watered down.

The green revolution is centrist, in my opinion. The "green" side may be called leftist, but the move to take the nation away from dependence on foriegn oil is great for us all. And creating jobs is a long term solution to a lot of problems.

Investments in the infrastructure are something that has been neglected for far too long. Screw what side that is viewed as, it MUST be done. And the sooner we do it the cheaper it will be.

I think the grassroots groups applying pressure will be the best thing about his administration. If he listens he will do the things we need. The previous administration has made grassroots movements a waste of time.
 
I agree that green tech and infrastructure are absolute musts. I think alt energy could be another boom like technology in the '90's - not as large scale, but just the thing the economy could be looking for.

He's gotta do healthcare, and I don't think it will be a huge fight at this point. It won't be like '93; maybe it will be somewhat watered down, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it went through intact.

Pot has to wait until the 2nd term...
 
Darla said:
here is the problem - everyone has a different definition of "centrist".

He ran on a platform of universal health care. a plan set up to create competition between a singlepayer medicare like system and the private sector. many analysts believe the eventual outcome of that will be a morphing into single payer. anyone who thinks obama is not aware of this, is fooling themselves.

he ran on a platorm of a green revolution, which would also create a tremendous amount of jobs.

he ran on a platform of huge investments into infrastructure, FDR like.

So you know, if you want to call those center postions, that's cool. a rose by any other name.

but what you are going to see is the right-defined center is going to move to the left. you might never call it center left. klatu might never call it center left. but the fact is that the center has been moved to the right since reagan, and you are going to see it move left, and we will still call it the center.

the new center left will be things like real and true sentencing reform, legalization of pot etc. that's where grass roots pressure is going to have to be brought to bear on him.
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I dont believe you are going to see Health Care Reform in the mode of the Universal Brand many to those of the left are expecting.., rather a Hybrid .... a mixing of Private Enterprize and Government Sponsorship .... more access and more Government Sponsored Walk-in Clinics...

Obama has many idea's like this...and thats why Im ok with him ... because he thinks more like a technocrat.... than a Liberalcrat.

Another area... "the green revolution" is going to be tempered a bit ... because this is becoming more exploitation than anything else. Though... greening the Automobile and Energy Utility Industry is where its at... and yes...it will create a huge market and job creation. Another area where Governments role will be more of hybrid ... jump starting through tax incentives, free enterprize zones and R&D investment.

Infrastructure.. the one area where Government will have to make a major investment... but it is not unprecedented.. from Teddy to FDR to Ike... republicans and Democrats alike... this is where Obama caught my ear. Infrastructure is as American as Apple Pie... and its time to rebuild, redesign and update



Lets not forget... Obama landslides because of Obama Republicans and Independents ... jumping into the left wing deep end will not earn him those votes in 2012.
 
Desh said:
His cabinet will be all over the place.

He is smart enough to accept differing ideas without getting all confused like W.

He wants differeing oppinions becasue he wants all the ideas to be aired.

He will govern from intelligence taking in all the facts.

He will be one of the greats.
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I think it's cute that you actually believe that. :rolleyes:
 
SmarterThanYou said:
I think it's cute that you actually believe that. :rolleyes:
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Sorry it didn't work out for your guy. I know you had high hopes.

There is no reason to doubt any of what Desh wrote. Obama is not someone who surrounds himself with yes men, or who rejects ideas that are not his own, unlike W. You have only to look at his campaign, which even some on the right have called the best in modern history.
 
Onceler said:
Sorry it didn't work out for your guy. I know you had high hopes.
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You know jack shit. McCain wasn't my guy, neither was Obama or that idiot Bob Barr. I had no dog in this hunt because the republicans stopped being conservative in 2002. The idiot conservative constituency had a shot at picking a solid conservative and blew it because they felt they needed to be 'centrist' to pick up votes. As some others here have said, if all you have are liberals, might as well pick the real one. Now, if the people had been smart and picked Fred Thompson or Huckabee, even Romney, this election could have gone very differently.

Onceler said:
There is no reason to doubt any of what Desh wrote. Obama is not someone who surrounds himself with yes men, or who rejects ideas that are not his own, unlike W. You have only to look at his campaign, which even some on the right have called the best in modern history.
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Campaigning and governing are not the same thing, as Bush and Clinton have shown us. It's real easy to say what people want to hear to get them to vote, it's another thing entirely once you're in there and need to do the job. Hell, even Thomas Jefferson did an about face once he became president.
 
"You know jack shit. McCain wasn't my guy"

I meant your guy Bush, who I'm sure you will now deny you never heard of.

He wasn't the leader you thought he'd be, so now your projecting those expectations onto Obama, when Obama has shown already how very different he can be.
 
Onceler said:
"You know jack shit. McCain wasn't my guy"

I meant your guy Bush, who I'm sure you will now deny you never heard of.

He wasn't the leader you thought he'd be, so now your projecting those expectations onto Obama, when Obama has shown already how very different he can be.
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Bush wasn't my guy either, but back then I believed in the lesser of two evils. Look what it got me. I don't compromise anymore.

We'll see if Obama can impress me. He can do that by lowering my taxes, reduce spending, reduce government, and leave my guns alone. If he can do that, i'll be impressed.
 
Darla said:
All over my tv, my newspapers, and here on this board, all I hear after a landslide is how careful Barack better be not to govern "to the left". Now, of course what is amusing is that first we'd have to define left. In a nation whose citizens overwhelming support government guaranteed heath care, a lot of you guys would be real suprised as to where the actual center is.

But that aside...does anyone remember ANYONE issuing dire warnings about george bush being "careful not to govern to the right he better stay in the center or else" either time he won with far less electoral votes than obama did???

Right.
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I think Obama should be true to self and govern the way his inclinations take him. Pelosi and Reid, if not the Congress will back him. Go for it, full throttle.
 
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