The United States of Violent America

Aoxomoxoa said:
Mott, I do not know where you are getting your stats from but they are wrong. The real figure is 550 for England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are recorded separately.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9411113/Murder-at-lowest-level-in-30-years.html

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Last I heard, Scotland and Northern Ireland are still a part of the United Kingdom.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Mott, I do not know where you are getting your stats from but they are wrong. The real figure is 550 for England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are recorded separately.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9411113/Murder-at-lowest-level-in-30-years.html

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I got them from Wikipedia. Last I heard Scotland and Northern Ireland were part of the UK.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I just put it in there for the sake of completeness, don't have a cow man.
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Well, it looks nice and pretty but If I murder someone with a knife, or a club, or a pipe bomb, it doesn't show up in gun murder statistics, and people love to use that number as though it somehow proves there is less overall violence.
 
FN FS2000 said:
Well, it looks nice and pretty but If I murder someone with a knife, or a club, or a pipe bomb, it doesn't show up in gun murder statistics, and people love to use that number as though it somehow proves there is less overall violence.
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On the figures for England and Wales, murders are running at about 1/5 of the US. This assumes a population of 56 million against 300 million for the US and 550 murders as against nearly 15,000.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
On the figures for England and Wales, murders are running at about 1/5 of the US. This assumes a population of 56 million against 300 million for the US and 550 murders as against nearly 15,000.
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Well, if you want to use a cookie cutter on your figures, let's only use 25 of the 50 states. Like North Dakota and Montana. Creative book keeping and crime statistics, can give any image either of us wants.
 
FN FS2000 said:
Well, if you want to use a cookie cutter on your figures, let's only use 25 of the 50 states. Like North Dakota and Montana. Creative book keeping and crime statistics, can give any image either of us wants.
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I use the figures for England and Wales because I know them exactly. As I already said Scotland and NI report their figures separately.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I don't think as a subject of the UK that you have much room to talk. The US has a higher total crime rate but it's also a much larger nation. The per capita crime rate in the US is about 1 per every 26 persons where as the crime rate in the UK is about 1 per every 9.5 persons. So yes, the US does have a higher murder rate than the UK compared to the rest of the worlds it's still fairly low. Russia has far more stringent gun control laws and far more media censorship than the US does but it's murder rate is more than triple that of the US. When you compare regions North America as a whole has nearly the same muder rate as Europe (4.7/100,000 in NA and 3.5/100,000). Then when you look at other regions, South America and East Europe from example, which have far more stringent gun controls and far more stringent media laws than the US have nearly 5 times and 2 times the murder rate as the US does.

That would indicate to me that media exposure to violence and easy access to guns are not quite the factors in violence that you seem to think they are and that political, cultural and economic factors have a far greater influence on violence.
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I am not, at the time of pounding my keyboard, aware of the UK crime figures. That is something of a red herring. The article, as I read it, criticised the 'mindset' of a nation for whom violence is the norm. Whether the UK's figures are better or worse than the us is irrelevant. I would be equally as critical were it the case.
 
Lowaicue said:
I am not, at the time of pounding my keyboard, aware of the UK crime figures. That is something of a red herring. The article, as I read it, criticised the 'mindset' of a nation for whom violence is the norm. Whether the UK's figures are better or worse than the us is irrelevant. I would be equally as critical were it the case.
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The assertion is

signalmankenneth said:
The U.S. is far more violent than other developed countries
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UK and Australia are developed countries with higher rates of violent crime than the US. Of course its relevant.
 
dixon76710 said:
The assertion is



UK and Australia are developed countries with higher rates of violent crime than the US. Of course its relevant.
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Perhaps a little of your time might be well spent by re-reading the piece which, if memory serves is entitled, 'The United states of Violent America.' Not as you appear to have understaood it, 'The United States of Not quite as Violent as Other Countries.'
However, you may, for all I care, believe as you wish and continue your love of the American phallus for eternity if that is what makes you feel like a man.
 
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