The Unbelievers

PostmodernProphet said:
????....well, logically if one is an absolutist they will only argue one way, neh?.......
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Yes... it leaves no wiggle room. On the other hand, if one is open to possibilities from all angles...one might have more rounded experiences to draw from.....which is exactly the stance I am taking in this increasingly frustrating debate.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
Nobody is denying your desire to be religious. I am just saying it is not needed. You don't need it and the world does not need it.
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Never said you were....I am not one of those Christians who feel slighted at the drop of the hat or feel persecuted because we don't have prayer in school, or seek to limit other people's rights based on a fundamentalist(read:basic) understanding of a Holy Book.

As far as whether it's "needed" or not, that's up for each one of us to decide.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
??....are you ignorant of what is meant by moral principles?......just because you and Hannibal don't share any (assumption, of course) doesn't mean you both don't have them......
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Are you? Hannibal, as depicted, is a psychopath. He has no moral principles.

But even if he did I still have no clue what you intend for anyone to take away from that? Moral principles are bad? Uhh, no. Capable of being in error? Sure, so?
 
Steelplate said:
Never said you were....I am not one of those Christians who feel slighted at the drop of the hat or feel persecuted because we don't have prayer in school, or seek to limit other people's rights based on a fundamentalist(read:basic) understanding of a Holy Book.

As far as whether it's "needed" or not, that's up for each one of us to decide.
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It's up to reality. You may feel it is useful or necessary to you but that does not make it so.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
It's up to reality. You may feel it is useful or necessary to you but that does not make it so.
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No....it's up to each person to make a choice, Mr. Absolutist.

You are being a Fundamentalist Atheist here... "my reality is the only reality". Which is EXACTLY what your beef is with Fundamentalist Christians(mine too, actually).

It's kind of closed minded and hypocritical....just sayin'.
 
Steelplate said:
No....it's up to each person to make a choice, Mr. Absolutist.

You are being a Fundamentalist Atheist here... "my reality is the only reality". Which is EXACTLY what your beef is with Fundamentalist Christians(mine too, actually).

It's kind of closed minded and hypocritical....just sayin'.
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I did not say my reality. There is only one and I don't claim to possess perfect knowledge of it.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
Are you? Hannibal, as depicted, is a psychopath. He has no moral principles.

But even if he did I still have no clue what you intend for anyone to take away from that? Moral principles are bad? Uhh, no. Capable of being in error? Sure, so?
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dude, apparently you ARE ignorant of what is meant by moral principles.....a person makes his choices in life based upon those standards he has chosen for himself....those are his moral principles and they are unique to the individual......Hannibal did not believe it was wrong to eat human flesh.....if he did he would not have done so.......

now you may not believe his moral principles were good moral principles, but that doesn't make them something other than moral principles....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
dude, apparently you ARE ignorant of what is meant by moral principles.....a person makes his choices in life based upon those standards he has chosen for himself....those are his moral principles and they are unique to the individual......Hannibal did not believe it was wrong to eat human flesh.....if he did he would not have done so.......

now you may not believe his moral principles were good moral principles, but that doesn't make them something other than moral principles...
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It's a fictional account. The character as depicted is a psychopath lacking empathy and therefore the qualities necessary to form moral principles. He is amoral.

Again, wtf is your point? Moral principles are bad, imperfect, what? If imperfect, then so? Are you implying that moral principles of believers are perfect? Which kind? You have revealed that you practice confirmation bias as a matter of policy as you deny the Christianity of those that act in ways that might reflect badly on your faith.


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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
It's a fictional account.
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used as an example, dumbfuck.....not because I was trying to convince you he's real.....


Again, wtf is your point? Moral principles are bad, imperfect, what?
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you posted that one did not need religion to have moral principles......that is true, everyone has moral principles......often when people make up their own they can seriously suck.....consider Hannibal as an example......religions offer standards which people can adopt as their own......our society is actually much better off because the majority use the moral code of Christianity as a standard instead of Hannibal's.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
used as an example, dumbfuck.....not because I was trying to convince you he's real.....

you posted that one did not need religion to have moral principles......that is true, everyone has moral principles......often when people make up their own they can seriously suck.....consider Hannibal as an example......religions offer standards which people can adopt as their own......our society is actually much better off because the majority use the moral code of Christianity as a standard instead of Hannibal's.......
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We are discussing morals for the real world. I know you prefer the fictions of religion and other fairy tales, but they should not be relied upon too heavily.

Hannibal, a fictional character, is depicted as a psychopath. Again, psychopaths don't feel empathy and are not able to form moral principles. You are employing a false dichotomy anyway.

Moral principles based on religion can suck. Like the Boston bomber's, the WBC's, Anders Breivik's or Pat Roberston's. We are much better off with the moral principles of Dawkins or 4 out of 5 of the world's leading humanitarians.

http://atheists.org/content/atheists-dominate-famous-humanitarians
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/29/new-film-examines-science-vs-religion/

[URL="http://globalnews.ca/news/519097/dawkins-krauss-have-faith-in-the-unbelievers/"]http://globalnews.ca/news/519097/dawkins-krauss-have-faith-in-the-unbelievers/

[/URL]TORONTO — One of the hottest tickets at this year’s Hot Docs documentary festival in Toronto is for The Unbelievers — Monday’s world premiere and three subsequent screenings of the film are sold out.

The documentary follows evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins and theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss as they travel the world promoting the importance of science and reason in the modern world.

The pair specifically targets religion and faith.

“If something is comforting, that’s great, but it doesn’t make it true,” says Dawkins, arguably the world’s most famous atheist. “There are people who sincerely seem to think that because something is consoling or comforting that therefore it’s got to be true. That just isn’t logical.”

Appearing on Global’s The Morning Show, Dawkins quoted Canadian experimental psychologist Steven Pinker. “[He] said, ‘If you’re being chased by a tiger, it may comfort you to believe it’s a rabbit. But it is a tiger and it’s going to eat you.’”

Krauss, who was raised in Toronto, said the goal is not to make people feel bad about believing in God.

“We recognize that all of us need comfort in different ways,” he explains. “What we’re just trying to encourage people to do is get comfort from the real world.

“We’re not trying to take something away. We’re trying to add the wonder of reality, the poetry of the real universe, and say ‘you can get solace and wonder from the real world.’ It’s true, you can get comfort from religion but that doesn’t say you have to have religion to get comfort.”


He points out the universe does not exist so people can be happy. “We have to understand reality and if we get comfort from things that are imaginary, well, it helps us in the short run but in the long run it leads us to act in often irrational ways.”

Dawkins admits challenging religious beliefs makes some people very upset.

“Religious people do get extremely emotional. If you criticize their religion it’s almost as though you say they’ve got an ugly face or something,” he says. “All we’re doing is criticizing a view of the world which they hold and asking for the evidence, or criticizing the evidence.”

Dawkins hopes The Unbelievers will spark more debate and, perhaps, open a few minds.

“Science is wonderful, truth is wonderful, reality is wonderful,” he says. “People need to appreciate reality and not hide behind the smokescreen of superstition.”

Krauss says there’s hope, noting interest in religion is on the decline.

“More and more people are coming to realize that they can think for themselves,” says Krauss. “It’s amazing to discover that you’re wrong. In fact, it’s liberating. It’s not a threat. It opens your mind.”[URL="http://globalnews.ca/news/519097/dawkins-krauss-have-faith-in-the-unbelievers/"][/URL]
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You suckers fall for this, people who don't believe in God protesting peoples belief in him, don't believe, but please for the love of pete shut your mouths about it. Wallow in your immoral sinful lifestyles and leave us alone.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
It's a fictional account. The character as depicted is a psychopath lacking empathy and therefore the qualities necessary to form moral principles. He is amoral.

Again, wtf is your point? Moral principles are bad, imperfect, what? If imperfect, then so? Are you implying that moral principles of believers are perfect? Which kind? You have revealed that you practice confirmation bias as a matter of policy as you deny the Christianity of those that act in ways that might reflect badly on your faith.


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Then why did he cut off his own hand, instead of killing Clarice and escaping?
 
patriot66 said:
You suckers fall for this, people who don't believe in God protesting peoples belief in him, don't believe, but please for the love of pete shut your mouths about it. Wallow in your immoral sinful lifestyles and leave us alone.
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I don't think you have made one argument on these boards without using your immoral fairytale as the premise. You stfu about it and then maybe we will leave you to your fantasies and delusions.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
I don't think you have made one argument on these boards without using your immoral fairytale as the premise. You stfu about it and then maybe we will leave you to your fantasies and delusions.
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lmao....the dude whose friend and ally is quoting the Bible talking about anothers fantasies and delusions......thats the best one I hear in days.....
 
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