The Single Payer Siren

cawacko said:
costs are managed by rationing care and reducing innovation. Those are lose-lose propositions
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You could allow a buy in for those who wanted to pay. What good is innovation if it's priced out of most people's insurances? why do we innovate drugs -pay the costs, and then can't afford them?
it's to the point routine but expensive care is already rationed by insurance companies
 
cawacko said:
Germany is not close to the U.S. in terms of innovation. Not a scare tactic at all
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They are catching up and have overcome in certain areas and surpassing us in others, they had a bit of history to overcome. China is even going to surpass us, most likely by 2020.
 
instead of paying for Medicade expansion -which we cannot afford- put it on an ongoing funding path by taxes.

But then you don't have to premiums either ..
It's the largest pool that way, which is the best way to manage costs
 
cawacko said:
What's that matter? Companies and industries change all the time. You think people at insurance companies work there for their entire life and have no other skills?
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Private healthcare wouldn't disappear under single payer, we have had that over here for many years.
 
There are a lot of people in the health ins biz.
In theory they go nowhere but this is where it gets fuzzy. All you accomplish is adding another layer of buracracy.
This layer is in part what felled ocare.
The solution is to get gov't out if healthcare. Track the cost curve and you see it skyrocket as gov't moved it. Can you say cash cow ? I knew that you could.
Let Uncle buy policies Comercially and costs would moderate.
 
Covfefe said:
They are catching up and have overcome in certain areas and surpassing us in others, they had a bit of history to overcome. China is even going to surpass us, most likely by 2020.
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China's economy is getting ready to fall off, so say the experts. As for the krauts, it's more than history that they have to overcome. There's also the inherent inferiority of the underrace. :cof1:
 
Threedee said:
China's economy is getting ready to fall off, so say the experts. As for the krauts, it's more than history that they have to overcome. There's also the inherent inferiority of the underrace. :cof1:
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Yes, but they say we are as well.
German Jews did a great deal for American innovation, don't forget.
 
tsuke said:
one thing nobody has ever explained to me is what would happen to the people employed by insurance companies. The main rationale for single payer is one administrative body doing the job instead of mulitple ones duplicating work. Do all these office people just get fired?
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No, the scary thing is that they'll all get bureaucratic jobs with the gubmint and they can never be fired .
 
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Covfefe said:
Yes, but they say we are as well.
German Jews did a great deal for American innovation, don't forget.
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Yes, but, it's obviously due to the fact that they were put in the position to work toward our interests by the idiot krauts who drove them out of Der Fatherland.
 
cawacko said:
I've read this. And I've read what Richard Epstein wrote in the OP and how he responds to single payer advocates.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/roslyn...ugman-should-know-about-denmark/#1cac2b84d2e1
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Epstein is a libertarian .. obvious throughout his rhetoric.

His argument is based on libertarian falsehoods.

"Frank also insists that a single-payer system could reduce administrative costs to around two-percent of total budget ... that gross figure is misleading for several reasons" .. followed by a bunch of words that don't make sense .. never acknowledging that SP would have MUCH lower overhead and administrative costs.

According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, administrative costs in Medicare are only about 2 percent of operating expenditures.

Fail
 
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