The SCOTUS is about to overturn Roe V Wade.

I don't care how conservative people think the country is. Voters aren't going to be down w/ a radical right-wing activist court that wants to intrude in their lives and restrict their rights.
 
We keep hearing it's a womans body. That is completely correct. However at the moment of conception that woman's body becomes an incubator for two different peoples DNA. Techinally she now becomes a bailee and responsible for the potection of the fathers DNA. :laugh:
 
Cypress said:
I don't think reproductive rights should be left to the whims of state legislatures composed predominantly of men.

Unless we also give female legislators veto power over Viagra and condoms.
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I agree, that is why I believe the states voters should decide.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Can you imagine if we allow state legislatures to dictate health care decisions? Picture the legislatures of the future, composed mostly of women. Now imagine the outcry if they passed legislation mandating that all males have a reversible vasectomy at age 11, and it could only be reversed in adulthood if they met certain criteria -- decent stable job, own his own house, be married. After all, isn't marriage, stability, and family what all the Xtian Sharia types want?
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It's a road we don't want to go down.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Looks like abortion rights are being returned to the states. What are the pros and cons. Of this action.

Looking at it from a purely constitutional standpoint Roe overrode states rights.

Before you blow a fuse, I am not endorsing nor condemming the action. I submit this argument.
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For the Republicans it will have serious political consequences because it will be so unpopular to the American Public who by a large majority support a woman’s right to choose and that it’s none of governments business, at any level, what she chooses.

This will alienate a large majority of mainstream centrist voters from the Republican Party due to gross over reach by a political minority. Should this come to pass they will become an even smaller political minority.

In short the political consequences should be similar to when President Johnson said of the Democratic Party after signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. “We have lost the South for an entire generation.

In other words Republicans can look forward to becoming a political minority for a generation or longer.

This should also spur Democrats not to just codify Roe vs. Wade but to guarantee a Constitutional right to privacy.

This is why Roe vs. Wade impacts everyone and not just Women.

Roe vs. Wade was predicated on we the people have a right to privacy free from Government Intrusion, in particular where decisions about their own body, as implied by the U.S. Constitution.

Implied being the operational word here as that is not specifically written in our Constitution.

However it has become a legal precedent that government does not have the right, at any level, to interfere with the personal decision you make in regards your own body.

If Roe vs. Wade is overturned than so is that precedent overturned.

Which can be reasonably argued in court if that precedent is over turned.

This then establishes a precedent that you don’t have either a right to privacy or the personal autonomy to your own body.

Then the Government can mandate vaccines and coerce you legally to comply, as an example.

They could also, for example legally require men to have vasectomies or conversely make them completely illegal.

They could force you to take or continue cancer treatments.

They can dictate to you how you manage your childrens medical care.

They could force you to have your child evaluated for gender dysphoria and then require your child to seek gender transition therapy.

They could force you to make your personal genetic information available to whomever they choose. In fact they could do that with your entire medical history.

Those are just a few examples of what can happen because the precedent of your right to privacy has been overturned.

So this places Democrats into a position where a person’s rights to privacy has to be codified into law, which it currently isn’t.

These sort of implications and unforeseen consequences of overturning Roe vs.Wade the average voter doesn’t think about or understand how it could negatively affect them. For many of them their eyes will only be opened after they have lost that right to privacy.

The good news for Republicans on the political side is that if any political party can fuck up such a huge political advantage it’s the Democrats.

The worst thing Democrats can do is to bang the drums that this is a woman’s rights issue as that will focus the debate on a medical procedure instead the broader picture of this will affect everyone’s right to privacy and personal autonomy.

If the Democrats want fully take advantage of the situation they need to scream from the highest mountain that this not just a Woman’s rights issue this a Human rights issue that directly effects us all. Then they need to educate the public on what the consequences of losing this right are.

And oddly, contradictory and highly probable of being correct it will be the Progressive faction of the Democratic Party that will fuck it up. I don’t know how but past history has demonstrated they are quite capable of doing just that.
 
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ThatOwlWoman said:
Nope. I do not want the citizens of my state deciding whether I can have a kidney transplant if I need one. I do not want them deciding if Chemo #1 is fine but not Chemo #2, if I get cancer. I do not want them deciding on when and whether (or not) to turn off my life support if I am not going to recover. I do not want them dictating how many kids someone should have. I do not want them to have any say at all in my personal business, medical decisions, life decisions.
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Those are needed medical procedures abortion like suicide is a purely elective procedure.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
That's what this discussion is about -- our thoughts on the leaked decision, right?

It's not a done deal. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, if that is in fact their decision, and the impact on the Nov. elections. This is a big loser for the (R)s.
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I totally agree the Republicans are going to get hurt if this goes through.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Doesn't apply to abortion.
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Yes, it does. So says Roe v. Wade. You may disagree with that point of view, but the fact is that Roe v. Wade is settled law. Stare Decisis. It's a principle that has guided the courts ..... until now.
 
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