The roe v wade leak . Is it meant to distract us from 2000 MULES??

[Earl]

The 10th Amendment to the US Constitution sets out the limits to the powers of the Federal government. It states that any powers that the Constitution does not give to the federal government are the responsibility of the states themselves.

Roe vs. Wade was a decision by the Supreme Court that is the responsibility of the states.

The leak confirmed this

Get over it.

 

[ExpressLane]

The 10th Amendment to the US Constitution sets out the limits to the powers of the Federal government. It states that any powers that the Constitution does not give to the federal government are the responsibility of the states themselves.

Roe vs. Wade was a decision by the Supreme Court that is the responsibility of the states.

The leak confirmed this

Get over it.

100%

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The signature is no more proof they filled out the ballot than any of the other controls. You have no clue what my driver's license number is. You don't have access to the ballot that was sent to my house and had a unique code on it. My signature is easier to fake than it is to steal my mail or find out my driver's license number.

Exactly. When you add in legal ballot harvesting and weeks of voting, it becomes a recipe for mass, undetectable, voter fraud.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Exactly. When you add in legal ballot harvesting and weeks of voting, it becomes a recipe for mass, undetectable, voter fraud.

Actually, it doesn't become such a recipe since such fraud would be easily provable.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Actually, it doesn't become such a recipe since such fraud would be easily provable.

Quite the opposite. All of the fraud takes part completely out of sight of any control. The ballots are mailed out to addresses the fraudsters know they will be coming to. There's no control on the receiving end so it's easy for the fraudsters to collect the ballots. There is ZERO way to know who actually filled out such a ballot. If a signature on the envelope is the only control, and almost any signature is accepted, that too is no control.

Add ballot harvesting, drop boxes and up to a month period for voting--along with counting late ballots-- and you have a perfect storm. A fraudster or team of them could collect, process, and deliver thousands of fraudulently cast ballots with no means of being caught other than one of them admits to the crime.

You could even break up the work to get more ballots done while making most of those involved think they were just doing something legal to begin with. The collectors are simply persons at the mail receipt location that get all the ballots as they come in, like a nursing home. You have one operative there that collects tens of ballots meant for the residents who are incapable of voting being senile, insane, comatose, or otherwise incapacitated but on the voter rolls from a time when they weren't. These are handed to a mule to turn in to the vote mill where a few (at most) trusted people fill them out and prepare them for delivery. Another mule delivers them for pay.

The mules think they're just legal, paid, ballot harvesters as allowed by law. The only people in the know on the fraud for sure are those filling out the ballots. They have several weeks to do the work so they could turn in upwards of thousands of fraudulent ballots.

Without mail-in elections, without weeks of voting, without lax ID requirements, without ballot harvesting allowed, this plan falls apart. If you have to vote in person, have to show ID, then such a scheme doesn't work.

Other nations know this and that's why virtually every nation on the planet severely restricts or doesn't allow mail-in voting.

 

[Walt]

The 10th Amendment to the US Constitution sets out the limits to the powers of the Federal government. It states that any powers that the Constitution does not give to the federal government are the responsibility of the states themselves.

Does the Constitution mention pizza? Does it say anything about pineapples on pizza? I am not a fan of the whole idea of pineapples on pizza, so I choose not to partake of it. But if as you say anything not mentioned in the Constitution should be a state right, then it would be up to the state to decide if I want pineapples on my pizza or not.

This is a major expansion of government "rights".

 

[ExpressLane]

I agree. This is simply the Left being the Left. It's likely a spur of the moment decision by a Leftist clerk to do this without thinking through the consequences. Get it out, and stir up shit. Beyond that, not a single thought about what would happen.

2000 Mules is likely to sail largely under the radar in any case. Advertising isn't heavy for it. Movie theaters will run it but as any documentary does it's likely to draw a small and select audience. It won't last long in theaters and online, it'll remain a niche movie regardless of its accuracy or inaccuracy.

Georgia is subpoenaing the evidence 2000 Mules and True the Vote have collected. So we shall see what happens with that.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Quite the opposite. All of the fraud takes part completely out of sight of any control. The ballots are mailed out to addresses the fraudsters know they will be coming to. There's no control on the receiving end so it's easy for the fraudsters to collect the ballots. There is ZERO way to know who actually filled out such a ballot. If a signature on the envelope is the only control, and almost any signature is accepted, that too is no control.

Add ballot harvesting, drop boxes and up to a month period for voting--along with counting late ballots-- and you have a perfect storm. A fraudster or team of them could collect, process, and deliver thousands of fraudulently cast ballots with no means of being caught other than one of them admits to the crime.

You could even break up the work to get more ballots done while making most of those involved think they were just doing something legal to begin with. The collectors are simply persons at the mail receipt location that get all the ballots as they come in, like a nursing home. You have one operative there that collects tens of ballots meant for the residents who are incapable of voting being senile, insane, comatose, or otherwise incapacitated but on the voter rolls from a time when they weren't. These are handed to a mule to turn in to the vote mill where a few (at most) trusted people fill them out and prepare them for delivery. Another mule delivers them for pay.

The mules think they're just legal, paid, ballot harvesters as allowed by law. The only people in the know on the fraud for sure are those filling out the ballots. They have several weeks to do the work so they could turn in upwards of thousands of fraudulent ballots.

Without mail-in elections, without weeks of voting, without lax ID requirements, without ballot harvesting allowed, this plan falls apart. If you have to vote in person, have to show ID, then such a scheme doesn't work.

Other nations know this and that's why virtually every nation on the planet severely restricts or doesn't allow mail-in voting.

The problem with your scenario is you would require that you are only stealing ballots from people you know are not going to vote. How do you do that? Every registered voter is only allowed to vote once. If this fraud was done on any scale you would see people attempting to vote when the state claims they already did. This would need to be in the hundreds if not thousands if you wanted to affect any statewide race. Please tell us how you are finding registered voters that you know will not vote. I suppose now you will simply ignore the controls in place to confirm only eligible people are registered. What you are proposing would require stealing mail for weeks at a time in order to intercept the voter registrations and the ballots since the time frame for mailing the information is not known.

 

[Earl]

Does the Constitution mention pizza? Does it say anything about pineapples on pizza? I am not a fan of the whole idea of pineapples on pizza, so I choose not to partake of it. But if as you say anything not mentioned in the Constitution should be a state right, then it would be up to the state to decide if I want pineapples on my pizza or not.

This is a major expansion of government "rights".

No, Walter, it is a limitation concerning the right to an abortion.

That right is not enumerated in the Constitution.

So your right to pineapple on pizzas is a state right. Get your state legislators to address this vital issue and existential threat.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The problem with your scenario is you would require that you are only stealing ballots from people you know are not going to vote. How do you do that? Every registered voter is only allowed to vote once. If this fraud was done on any scale you would see people attempting to vote when the state claims they already did. This would need to be in the hundreds if not thousands if you wanted to affect any statewide race. Please tell us how you are finding registered voters that you know will not vote. I suppose now you will simply ignore the controls in place to confirm only eligible people are registered. What you are proposing would require stealing mail for weeks at a time in order to intercept the voter registrations and the ballots since the time frame for mailing the information is not known.

No, it requires you collect ballots from people who don't give a shit, others that are mentally incompetent, those that don't understand (like recent immigrants or the elderly), etc. For example, the fraudsters register the homeless to vote using a PO box they have access to. The homeless don't care, they got say $10 or $20 or maybe some drugs to register. They're happy.
You also use the voter rolls to find those that are no longer going to vote in a particular state as they've moved but are still registered, etc. This is one of the big reasons the Democrats pushed making it nearly impossible to remover people from voter rolls in HB 1 for example.
There are plenty of people registered to vote that don't give a shit. If that weren't true voter turnout in elections, in the US, wouldn't see it hovering at 40 to 50%. But that's the case. That leaves as much as 50% of the population to work on this way. Collect their ballot and do whatever, because they don't care.
The fraudsters also know when ballots are going to be mailed out, approximately when they'd be received, and could expect many people to just have theirs sitting unmarked because they don't care.
As an example of that, I just got my notice of upcoming election and if you want a mail-in ballot to return the notice. I have to have it returned by June 9th. That's a month from now. Same idea. There's weeks of voting and the ballots may well be mailed earlier than that. That gives fraudsters tons of time to collect the ones they can collect and do that--with ballot harvesting--legally and from willing people that either don't know or care what happens to their ballot.

 

[Walt]

So your right to pineapple on pizzas is a state right.

So now your theory of the Constitution has state governments telling us what type of pizza we are allowed to eat. Even North Korea allows people to decide what they want to eat, when there is food.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

No, it requires you collect ballots from people who don't give a shit, others that are mentally incompetent, those that don't understand (like recent immigrants or the elderly), etc. For example, the fraudsters register the homeless to vote using a PO box they have access to. The homeless don't care, they got say $10 or $20 or maybe some drugs to register. They're happy.
You also use the voter rolls to find those that are no longer going to vote in a particular state as they've moved but are still registered, etc. This is one of the big reasons the Democrats pushed making it nearly impossible to remover people from voter rolls in HB 1 for example.
There are plenty of people registered to vote that don't give a shit. If that weren't true voter turnout in elections, in the US, wouldn't see it hovering at 40 to 50%. But that's the case. That leaves as much as 50% of the population to work on this way. Collect their ballot and do whatever, because they don't care.
The fraudsters also know when ballots are going to be mailed out, approximately when they'd be received, and could expect many people to just have theirs sitting unmarked because they don't care.
As an example of that, I just got my notice of upcoming election and if you want a mail-in ballot to return the notice. I have to have it returned by June 9th. That's a month from now. Same idea. There's weeks of voting and the ballots may well be mailed earlier than that. That gives fraudsters tons of time to collect the ones they can collect and do that--with ballot harvesting--legally and from willing people that either don't know or care what happens to their ballot.

ROFLMAO. In your first few sentences you have already violated voter registration laws and would not allow for someone to be registered.

If someone votes in two states it becomes relatively easy to find. When thousands of people do it, it would be impossible to keep secret. We have four people in Florida that voted for Trump in 2 states that were found out.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fourth-florida-the-villages-resident-accused-of-voter-fraud

There may be plenty of people that don't give a shit but if you can't target only those people your scheme quickly falls apart. In 2020, 73% of adults over 18 were registered to vote and 67% of adults over 18 votes. That doesn't leave a lot of room for fraud since many adults over 18 are not eligible to vote.

What you are describing is a vast conspiracy where either you are stealing ballots from the mail or where you are talking to thousands of people to get their unmarked ballots. Both of those things would be nearly impossible to do on the scale you are claiming without anyone finding out about it.

 

[Earl]

So now your theory of the Constitution has state governments telling us what type of pizza we are allowed to eat. Even North Korea allows people to decide what they want to eat, when there is food.

Yes, Walter, it’s a vital issue and existential threat.

Until this is addressed by your state, you can go to North Korea to get pineapple on your pizza.

 

[Walt]

Yes, Walter, it’s a vital issue and existential threat.

You say that any right not explicitly stated in the Constitution is reserved for the state. That would mean the state has the right to decide what I want on my pizza. This is a huge expansion of government rights, beyond anything in North Korea.