The right should denounce Trump and Palin

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CNN) -- The other night, having a few beers with a conservative friend, I mentioned how hacked off I was that there hadn't been a wholesale denouncement of the likes of Donald Trump and Sarah Palin from conservative politicians and opinion-makers.

To be sure, many, many, many, many have denounced both -- but I think a chorus as simple and clear as a Cee-Lo Green song is deserved. It should be unanimous and unmistakable. (The past 48 hours should make it pretty easy to dump on Trump.) My buddy, though, responded with an (almost) perfect analogy. He said:

It's kind of like having a friend who's engaged to a total b!@$h. Everyone knows she's awful -- everyone except your friend. Do you:

a.) Tell him she's no good. In which case he will almost certainly kill the messenger. Pride will force him to dig in, he'll cuss, you'll cuss, you'll trade "you've changed" insults, and the friendship will be ruined. Or...

b.) Say nothing. In which case he'll maybe marry her, pay off her credit card debt, have a couple of kids, turn his drinking from fun to sad, and emerge seven years later divorced and a shell of his former self.

You're in a no-win situation. It seems that either way you lose the friend. So you just sit and wait and hope he comes to his senses before it's too late. Many conservatives find themselves trapped in that analogy, being afraid to tell their ideological soulmates what's wrong with Palin and Trump.

But my buddy's analogy is only almost perfect.

As an opinion maker, I'm not your friend. I'm not here to be popular. It doesn't matter if I get called an "elitist snob" (we elite snobs who gather at dive bars to play Moon and 42) or an "establishment Republican" (please tell CNN you think I'm that). It only matters that I'm right. And what's right is to say clearly that Trump and Palin are the exact wrong type of leaders to be humoring.

I completely understand why people are attracted to Palin. First: Whatever "it" is, she has "it." And second: She makes all the right people crazy. It's not hard to look around at Palin-haters, frothing at the mouth about "how stupid" she is, and think, "I'm sure as hell not with them. Whatever they are, I'm on the other team."

But when you're looking for leaders, some things just can't be overcome. Like, say, cheating on your cancer-stricken wife by impregnating your documentarian while on the campaign trail and then making a staffer take responsibility before stashing them both at a house in LA. Like that.

While not on the same level, I think being unable to name a newspaper you read, or wondering aloud "If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?" are pretty big demerits.

Trump's appeal is harder to see, but I think I understand. Deep inside, we all want to blurt out every obnoxious, politically incorrect, unpopular truism we think lurks inside us. But we're afraid. At first blush it appears Trump -- like Charlie Sheen -- is doing just that. But when you look closer, you realize he's not. Trump says nothing at all, nothing of substance, anyway. You just think he is, because he insists he is, and uses the word "frankly" a lot.

In fact, the only argument he ever makes that isn't peppered with "probably" escape hatches, is protectionist nonsense. He constantly tells Americans that our problems aren't our fault; they're the fault of the Chinese, OPEC and someone he shamefully says is an illegitimate president.

Carville: Republicans, meet your new front-runner
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/27/carville.birther/index.html

Trump and Palin are populists. They will tell you whatever you want to hear. The problem is, not enough (because enough = almost all) conservative leaders are telling you what you don't want to hear. It's a race to be at the front of the lemming herd. But that first lemming isn't leading the herd; he's just the first to go off the cliff.

I'm often criticized for being impractical. I'm vulnerable to the charge that I can allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. And I often hear that politics is a game and that you must be in power to advance your ideals.

It all sounds to me like the motto of one of my favorite characters from The Wire, Omar: "All in the game yo." But even Omar, the seemingly amoral, nihilistic murderer, who walked the streets of Baltimore robbing drug dealers, knew there were limits to the game. That's what made Omar different from every other hood. He knew, "A man's got to have a code."

Here's a good code for conservative leaders to live by: when William F. Buckley launched National Review, he said the magazine's purpose was to stand "athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so." That code has never been more needed or noble than over the last three years. But we conservatives shouldn't only look at the left when remembering Buckley's words. Sometimes we should look at ourselves.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Will Cain.

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The left should denounce:

How about the left denounce Obama the spendthrift liar? While you're caught up in denunciations how about the thug unions getting a taste of your denouncements too? You go first...how's that?
 
I don't recall any democrats denouncing Al Sharpton. Clean your house before demanding anyone else clean theirs.
 
I don't recall any democrats denouncing Al Sharpton. Clean your house before demanding anyone else clean theirs.

i was just going to say something right along these lines....why does the left believe they can preach to the right when their house isn't clean
 
yurt sucks

you actually beat out legion for being the most sensitive butt hurt poster on the interwebs.....good lord...why whine about groans....and then groan me numerous times everyday? seriously....you're a pussy. and why is it you feel the need to make numerous posts about me?

obsess much....
 
you actually beat out legion for being the most sensitive butt hurt poster on the interwebs.....good lord...why whine about groans....and then groan me numerous times everyday? seriously....you're a pussy. and why is it you feel the need to make numerous posts about me?

obsess much....

Whine much bitch?
 
no. but you're the one butt hurt over some groan on a messageboard....so much so you have to threaten to groan every single one of my posts and tonight you're madly groaning numerous posts....it is so fucking funny....you have no idea how funny you are

:lol:

Glad you are so easily amused.
 
:rofl:

I love how the libtards in charge "James Carville" feel so threatened by the likes of Trump & Palin. When can we expect Obama to do the same?
 
Once upon a time in far off northern Alaska were no one lives, there was a big male polar bear. He was on the prowl for a lady polar bear because he thought it was time to settle down and raise a family. Before many moons had passed he met a lady bear.
He thought she looked really nice and was really happy when she said she thought he looked nice, too. Soon their little patch of ice shook with the joyous, bouncing little feet of a baby girl polar bear.
‘What shall we call her?’ said the big male bear.
Well, they sat and watched their baby play in the snow and ice for quite a long time before Mother said, ‘I know, we’ll call her Sarah.’
‘That’s a really nice name,’ said father bear.
So it was settled. Thebaby was to be called Sarah. The polar bear family were happy and looked forward to a life of seal pup eating and human being killing together.
But it was not to be. A group of hunters came across the family and shot first Mummy bear and then Father bear. Sarah escaped by pretending to be a stuffed toy, which was a clever thing to do as she had never seen E.T.. The hunters skinned the bears and took the fur back to be sold.
Poor Sarah. Alone and helpless.
What was to become of her? She became weak and searched far and wide for something to eat then one day she was found by two evil brothers.
‘Hey, look what I’ve found,’ said one, ‘it’s a little baby polar bear. All alone. We could feed it and charge people to come and see it.’
‘We can do better than that,’ said his brother, ’we can teach it to do tricks like it could roll over and wave and lots more. We can make a lot of money with this little thing.’
And so it was that little Sarah, the sweet little ball of fun fur, was taken around America so people could stand and gawp at her as she performed the tricks the two nasty brothers had taught her.
It wasn’t long before the public became bored with the Polar bear, she had grown bigger and was not as cute as when the brothers first found her.
The brothers were very sad. ‘What can we do?’ they asked each other.
Then, as luck would have it they found another little bear, not a polar bear but they thought they might make some money with him for he was not like other bears. He had no fur on his head and hid his embarrassment by covering his head with leaves and twigs. There was something else that made the brothers think they could turn him to their advantage. Can you guess what that was?
Yes. He had a very loud roar, but had absolutely no teeth. ‘What shall we call him?’, said one brother to the other.
‘Well’, said the other, ‘he looks quite weird with his head covered in leaves and with no teeth, and he sounds like Donald Duck when he tries to speak. Lets call him Donald. His brother didnt agree. 'I think he looks like a chump,' he said, 'lets call him Chump.’
Well they couldn't agree until one said they ought to call him Donald Chump, so that was that.
And so Donald Chump began to perform for all the ladies and gentlemen across America. The people found him very entertaining so soon he decided that he no longer needed help from anyone and he started his own outfit. But all was not good with little Chump. At first people came and listened to his roar, and to laugh at his funny head, but when they saw he had no teeth they stopped coming.
Poor Chump.

OK I'm bloody sorry! But I was bored for a while.
 
Look at all of the "they do it too" posts. This board is so surreal at times...

In this case "they do it too" is quite appropriate. If it were some crime or whatever, I could see your complaint. But this is someone demanding the conservatives denounce the lunatics in their party, while no such action is taken in their own party. There is a word for that. 'Hypocrisy'
 
CNN) -- The other night, having a few beers with a conservative friend, I mentioned how hacked off I was that there hadn't been a wholesale denouncement of the likes of Donald Trump and Sarah Palin from conservative politicians and opinion-makers.

To be sure, many, many, many, many have denounced both -- but I think a chorus as simple and clear as a Cee-Lo Green song is deserved. It should be unanimous and unmistakable. (The past 48 hours should make it pretty easy to dump on Trump.) My buddy, though, responded with an (almost) perfect analogy. He said:

It's kind of like having a friend who's engaged to a total b!@$h. Everyone knows she's awful -- everyone except your friend. Do you:

a.) Tell him she's no good. In which case he will almost certainly kill the messenger. Pride will force him to dig in, he'll cuss, you'll cuss, you'll trade "you've changed" insults, and the friendship will be ruined. Or...

b.) Say nothing. In which case he'll maybe marry her, pay off her credit card debt, have a couple of kids, turn his drinking from fun to sad, and emerge seven years later divorced and a shell of his former self.

You're in a no-win situation. It seems that either way you lose the friend. So you just sit and wait and hope he comes to his senses before it's too late. Many conservatives find themselves trapped in that analogy, being afraid to tell their ideological soulmates what's wrong with Palin and Trump.

But my buddy's analogy is only almost perfect.

As an opinion maker, I'm not your friend. I'm not here to be popular. It doesn't matter if I get called an "elitist snob" (we elite snobs who gather at dive bars to play Moon and 42) or an "establishment Republican" (please tell CNN you think I'm that). It only matters that I'm right. And what's right is to say clearly that Trump and Palin are the exact wrong type of leaders to be humoring.

I completely understand why people are attracted to Palin. First: Whatever "it" is, she has "it." And second: She makes all the right people crazy. It's not hard to look around at Palin-haters, frothing at the mouth about "how stupid" she is, and think, "I'm sure as hell not with them. Whatever they are, I'm on the other team."

But when you're looking for leaders, some things just can't be overcome. Like, say, cheating on your cancer-stricken wife by impregnating your documentarian while on the campaign trail and then making a staffer take responsibility before stashing them both at a house in LA. Like that.

While not on the same level, I think being unable to name a newspaper you read, or wondering aloud "If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?" are pretty big demerits.

Trump's appeal is harder to see, but I think I understand. Deep inside, we all want to blurt out every obnoxious, politically incorrect, unpopular truism we think lurks inside us. But we're afraid. At first blush it appears Trump -- like Charlie Sheen -- is doing just that. But when you look closer, you realize he's not. Trump says nothing at all, nothing of substance, anyway. You just think he is, because he insists he is, and uses the word "frankly" a lot.

In fact, the only argument he ever makes that isn't peppered with "probably" escape hatches, is protectionist nonsense. He constantly tells Americans that our problems aren't our fault; they're the fault of the Chinese, OPEC and someone he shamefully says is an illegitimate president.

Carville: Republicans, meet your new front-runner
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/27/carville.birther/index.html

Trump and Palin are populists. They will tell you whatever you want to hear. The problem is, not enough (because enough = almost all) conservative leaders are telling you what you don't want to hear. It's a race to be at the front of the lemming herd. But that first lemming isn't leading the herd; he's just the first to go off the cliff.

I'm often criticized for being impractical. I'm vulnerable to the charge that I can allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. And I often hear that politics is a game and that you must be in power to advance your ideals.

It all sounds to me like the motto of one of my favorite characters from The Wire, Omar: "All in the game yo." But even Omar, the seemingly amoral, nihilistic murderer, who walked the streets of Baltimore robbing drug dealers, knew there were limits to the game. That's what made Omar different from every other hood. He knew, "A man's got to have a code."

Here's a good code for conservative leaders to live by: when William F. Buckley launched National Review, he said the magazine's purpose was to stand "athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so." That code has never been more needed or noble than over the last three years. But we conservatives shouldn't only look at the left when remembering Buckley's words. Sometimes we should look at ourselves.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Will Cain.

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(Excerpt from posted link) What motivated the White House to become a part of the spectacle at this stage in the game? Was the posting of the birth certificate an intentional move to bolster the political standing of Donald Trump? This is one Democrat that hopes it was, as it would demonstrate a political move of great sophistication and overall strategic brilliance. (End)

It just might have been.

As financially smart as Trump is supposed to be his idea of putting tariffs and/or taxes on Chinese goods so American companies can compete is something we can expect from kindergarten economists. Companies have to make products that can be exported and if a product is available at a cheaper rate from China American companies will not be able to export/sell their product.

Then we get into the whole capitalist/free enterprise philosophy the Right loves to pedal. Will Americans be compelled to purchase American goods even if they are inferior?

Trump admits he buys Chinese products because they are cheaper even though he also admits Americans make a superior product. Suppose American products become inferior? Suppose China develops a superior method to manufacture products. Will Americans still be compelled to buy American products? And what incentive will American companies have when they know they will not have to compete on the world stage? As long as a product is make in the USA, regardless of quality, citizens would be compelled to purchase it.

Like most ideas put forward by the Conservatives/Republicans, from abortion to privatizing SS to restricting trade, they are unable to see past their nose.
 
In this case "they do it too" is quite appropriate. If it were some crime or whatever, I could see your complaint. But this is someone demanding the conservatives denounce the lunatics in their party, while no such action is taken in their own party. There is a word for that. 'Hypocrisy'

That's the board, Winter. How many "equal opportunity" threads have you seen on here? There are threads every day demanding that I denounce Obama, some lunatics in a leftie rally or parade, some obscure D Congressman, etc. If I even dare bring up that it mirrors something or someone on the right, I pretty much get ridicule. So, that's the standard that's been set - and it's been set by some folks on this thread.

This thread is about Trump & Palin.
 
That's the board, Winter. How many "equal opportunity" threads have you seen on here? There are threads every day demanding that I denounce Obama, some lunatics in a leftie rally or parade, some obscure D Congressman, etc. If I even dare bring up that it mirrors something or someone on the right, I pretty much get ridicule. So, that's the standard that's been set - and it's been set by some folks on this thread.

This thread is about Trump & Palin.

Yeah, I guess expecting bipartisan conversation is out of the question.
 
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