Dixie - In Memoriam
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When listening to the arguments of liberals advocating more socialist entitlements and social justice, the prime argumentative point they often use, is the growing disparity between the wealthy and the poor in our society. The rich are getting richer, while the poor barely survive, and this growing disparity is the source of all our problems and what needs to be fixed. Or at least, that is the argument they present for rational discussion. The problem is, you can't fix this and still live in a free capitalist society. As long as we live in a society where men are free to explore all options, engage in free market capitalism, and attain wealth and be successful, some men will and some men won't. Some will have enormous will and determination, drive and motivation, to attain as much as they possibly can. Others will be less motivated, willing to settle for less and not have to work as hard, be completely unmotivated to do anything more than complain. This is called, Human Nature. As long as people have been critters on this Earth, they have been this way, and they won't likely change.
Let's have an exhibit about this, an experimental scenario where we re-establish society on the basis of sheer financial equality across the board and start over. Let's pretend there are 10 people stranded on a desert island, deep in the Pacific, where they are likely to never be rescued. They come to the realization that they are now a new society, which much establish some kind of societal structure to exist, or they will devolve into anarchy and kill each other. But the thing is, the 10 people all have various differences of opinion on what kind of "government" they need to establish, so they can't really come up with a solution. What they end up deciding to do is, split up all the collective resources they possess, and establish their own 'countries' on different parts of the island. This is fair, they all start out with the same stuff, and establish their own 'paradise' as it were. They agree that all 'countries' will trade with each other through bartering of each other's goods and services. Those terms will be negotiated between buyer and seller, based on need (demand) and availability (supply).
So one guy is an engineer, and he determines quickly, there will be a great need for coconut busting, since this is the island's main food/beverage supply. He builds a machine to do this fairly quickly and without much effort, and opens his business to trade. He may want to trade with another person who knows how to sew clothing from vines or another person who has made nets to catch fish. And so the society begins to work together to do the various things and function, but there is a problem. A few of the people have no ambition or drive, and no real skill set or inspiration to develop one. They constantly complain about the conditions, all of their divided mutual resources ran out months ago, and they now go around to the other countries, begging for hand outs. Some of the countries are sympathetic to their conditions, because it's sad to see people suffering. Over time, the countries who are providing the supplementation for these people, start demanding the others chip in and help too, it's not right that only some of the countries are helping the 'poor' ...so they are cajoled into doing this, even though it is against their principles. Meanwhile, our original engineer with the drive and motivation, has expanded and now grows many assorted food items from seeds he developed through his vast knowledge of horticulture. This had nothing to do with his engineering degree, he had just always been interested in growing things, and he used his passion and ambition to further his entrepreneurial success. His family in his country, eat very well. They have an abundance of clothing and things provided as barter for their products and services. In just a very short time, this society has developed a disparity between rich and poor, and there is no turning back. It will forever and always be that way, the country with the ambition and drive, will always be ahead and pulling away, from the country with it's hand out, begging for benevolence and mired in 'victimhood' status.
We can't change this aspect of humanity, it is what we are and who we are. The ONLY way to "fix" this disparity, is to implement totalitarian authority through dictatorship. Freedom has to be eliminated for this to work. Personal ambition and success has to be strongly discouraged, and even punished. Such an implementation, whenever attempted on a widespread basis, has resulted in a collapse of production, which grinds society to a halt. No one is motivated to work. There is no advantage to success, so what is the purpose?
The most historic example of this idea being attempted in human history, is Mao in China. Virtually the same argument being made now by liberals in America (and Europe) is the argument Mao rose to power under with the People's Revolution. You see, "The People" were tired of only the wealthy having things, while the peasant "People" suffered and did without. Mao envisioned a China where everyone had materialistic and financial equality, and their value to society was also equal. There could be no disparity between the rich and poor, this would be forbidden in Mao's society. As we discover through history, this plan did not work for China, and the "People" suffered tremendously. To the tune of about 60 million in all. First, Mao killed off all the capitalists, the people motivated to earn wealth, the rich folk... he took their property and money to fund his Utopian idea. Of course, government under Mao was very corrupt and full of cronies, so the wealth naturally went to provide for a ruling class, and the "People" never got anything at all. So, with the capitalists dead and no economic prosperity happening anymore, the conditions worsened in China, and demands were made on the "People" to produce more, work harder, work longer hours, start work at an earlier age... etc. By now, the "People" are becoming displeased and start to revolt, and Mao executes thousands and thousands more.
The point here is, this "Disparity Myth" the liberals have created, has been addressed before with their same ideas. It resulted in the death of over 60 million Chinese. It did not work, and it turned a huge nation into a third-world slave state for decades, until the ruler was finally ousted, and reforms could be made. Since that time, in a relatively short period, China has gone from abject poverty and destitution, to being the world's leading economy. How did that happen? Through CAPITALISM!
Let's have an exhibit about this, an experimental scenario where we re-establish society on the basis of sheer financial equality across the board and start over. Let's pretend there are 10 people stranded on a desert island, deep in the Pacific, where they are likely to never be rescued. They come to the realization that they are now a new society, which much establish some kind of societal structure to exist, or they will devolve into anarchy and kill each other. But the thing is, the 10 people all have various differences of opinion on what kind of "government" they need to establish, so they can't really come up with a solution. What they end up deciding to do is, split up all the collective resources they possess, and establish their own 'countries' on different parts of the island. This is fair, they all start out with the same stuff, and establish their own 'paradise' as it were. They agree that all 'countries' will trade with each other through bartering of each other's goods and services. Those terms will be negotiated between buyer and seller, based on need (demand) and availability (supply).
So one guy is an engineer, and he determines quickly, there will be a great need for coconut busting, since this is the island's main food/beverage supply. He builds a machine to do this fairly quickly and without much effort, and opens his business to trade. He may want to trade with another person who knows how to sew clothing from vines or another person who has made nets to catch fish. And so the society begins to work together to do the various things and function, but there is a problem. A few of the people have no ambition or drive, and no real skill set or inspiration to develop one. They constantly complain about the conditions, all of their divided mutual resources ran out months ago, and they now go around to the other countries, begging for hand outs. Some of the countries are sympathetic to their conditions, because it's sad to see people suffering. Over time, the countries who are providing the supplementation for these people, start demanding the others chip in and help too, it's not right that only some of the countries are helping the 'poor' ...so they are cajoled into doing this, even though it is against their principles. Meanwhile, our original engineer with the drive and motivation, has expanded and now grows many assorted food items from seeds he developed through his vast knowledge of horticulture. This had nothing to do with his engineering degree, he had just always been interested in growing things, and he used his passion and ambition to further his entrepreneurial success. His family in his country, eat very well. They have an abundance of clothing and things provided as barter for their products and services. In just a very short time, this society has developed a disparity between rich and poor, and there is no turning back. It will forever and always be that way, the country with the ambition and drive, will always be ahead and pulling away, from the country with it's hand out, begging for benevolence and mired in 'victimhood' status.
We can't change this aspect of humanity, it is what we are and who we are. The ONLY way to "fix" this disparity, is to implement totalitarian authority through dictatorship. Freedom has to be eliminated for this to work. Personal ambition and success has to be strongly discouraged, and even punished. Such an implementation, whenever attempted on a widespread basis, has resulted in a collapse of production, which grinds society to a halt. No one is motivated to work. There is no advantage to success, so what is the purpose?
The most historic example of this idea being attempted in human history, is Mao in China. Virtually the same argument being made now by liberals in America (and Europe) is the argument Mao rose to power under with the People's Revolution. You see, "The People" were tired of only the wealthy having things, while the peasant "People" suffered and did without. Mao envisioned a China where everyone had materialistic and financial equality, and their value to society was also equal. There could be no disparity between the rich and poor, this would be forbidden in Mao's society. As we discover through history, this plan did not work for China, and the "People" suffered tremendously. To the tune of about 60 million in all. First, Mao killed off all the capitalists, the people motivated to earn wealth, the rich folk... he took their property and money to fund his Utopian idea. Of course, government under Mao was very corrupt and full of cronies, so the wealth naturally went to provide for a ruling class, and the "People" never got anything at all. So, with the capitalists dead and no economic prosperity happening anymore, the conditions worsened in China, and demands were made on the "People" to produce more, work harder, work longer hours, start work at an earlier age... etc. By now, the "People" are becoming displeased and start to revolt, and Mao executes thousands and thousands more.
The point here is, this "Disparity Myth" the liberals have created, has been addressed before with their same ideas. It resulted in the death of over 60 million Chinese. It did not work, and it turned a huge nation into a third-world slave state for decades, until the ruler was finally ousted, and reforms could be made. Since that time, in a relatively short period, China has gone from abject poverty and destitution, to being the world's leading economy. How did that happen? Through CAPITALISM!
