The Republican Strategy To Win (Cheat) At Elections

[Jarod]

I read that article linked in the OP. A lengthy diatribe of typical Leftist POV's covering all the usual TDS subjects. Okay, it was Mary L. Trump's opinion and nothing more. There wasn't a scintilla of fact about what the GOP / Republican's "strategy to win elections" was or is. Nothing, nada, zip-point-shit. It was just the usual flaming of Trump using the same tired arguments. Nothing new, nothing revelatory, nothing worth perusing.

It was a long winded, vacuous op ed by a Trump hater. I can get the Trump hating, but don't try to turn an empty article into some sort of proof of anything.

One of the things I have learned is that if the Trumppers are accusing someone of something, they likely are doing it.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Old Trapper,

All they have are the tactics of the likes of Saul Alinsky (Rules for Radicals), and Hitler (The Big Lie). Nothing new, just a repetition of the failures of the past. One thing they do rely on is rigging the rules in the States they control to insure fewer people can exercise the right to vote. So far all that has done is encourage others to vote, and then they lose. Mary Trump wrote an excellent article abut her uncle Donald, and there was one part I found to be even more exceptional. I don't expect the low IQ right winger to read it, however, for the intelligent people it is still a good read:

"It’s impossible to understand the appeal Donald has for his followers if we try to do so from the perspective of people who value honor, decency, empathy, and kindness in their leaders. It isn’t that they see things in Donald that aren’t there. They identify with what is—the brazenness of his lies, his ability to commit crimes with impunity, his bottomless sense of grievance, his monumental insecurity, his bullying, and, perhaps most intriguing, the fact that he is an inveterate failure who keeps being allowed to succeed. Donald is their proxy and their representative. And their ardor has only seemed to grow since his loss. We need only look at data from North Carolina Senate candidate Ted Budd’s campaign to see how complete this identification is. When Republican primary voters were told that Budd had been endorsed by Donald, there was a 45-point net swing in his favor, skyrocketing him to a 19-point lead over his primary opponent. The idea that any other one-term president (George H.W. Bush or Jimmy Carter) would have had the same kind of influence is laughable. On the other hand, though, neither one of them would have tried.

By the same token, elected Republicans, Donald’s chief enablers, see Donald as a means of perpetuating their own power. But they aren’t just putting up with the worst of him simply because they see him as a means to an end. He is them. They value his mendacity and his name-calling and his autocracy because these work for them as well.

Republicans counter truth with absurdity, rendering the truth inoperable. Now a party of fascists, they call Democrats socialist communist Marxists, which is effective in part because it is so nonsensical and in part because they are never asked to define the terms. They cover up their massive (and successful) efforts at voter suppression with wild claims of widespread voter fraud, which essentially doesn’t exist—31 incidents in over a billion votes cast, a number so vanishingly small as to have no meaning.

The main mechanism by which they can successfully carry out these sleights of hand is fear. Whether it’s drug dealers from Mexico or caravans from Central America or Democratic presidents coming for your guns, abolishing religion, or letting gay people get married, they need to keep their voters afraid.

Mr. Lockwood, the frame-narrator of Wuthering Heights, describes a feverish nightmare in which, during a blizzard, he sees a child outside his window begging to be let in. He is so undone by the appearance of this wraith that he drags its wrist across the broken pane of glass, until its blood soaks his bedsheets. “Terror made me cruel,” he says. Fear is a deeply unpleasant emotion, and Republicans have become expert at stoking it, on the one hand, and transforming it into anger on the other. This state of affairs makes it much easier for their followers to become comfortable with the cruelty of their leaders—whether of policy or of action—as long as it is directed at groups they’ve been told they should fear. It also makes it easier for the Republican rank and file to be comfortable with their own cruelty—it feels better than fear, and it allows them to delude themselves into thinking they have some measure of control, because they have been granted permission by the powers that be to express their cruelty with impunity."

https://newrepublic.com/article/163115/donald-trump-plot-against-america

Totally agreed.

Thanks for posting this.

Easy choice to give the OP a 'Thank You.'

 

[T. A. Gardner]

We've been through this before on another thread.

Remember?

Remember when you lied about reading HR 1 and then copied and pasted someone else's poor work on it, only to have me post the text of the actual bill that completely, utterly refuted every single lie you told?

Maybe you forgot about bailing on the thread because you got caught lying and bullshitting your ass off, and that was embarrassing for you.

That's the one where you repeatedly used a variant of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy to try and argue you position.

 

[LV426]

That's the one where you repeatedly used a variant of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy to try and argue you position.

Nope. Try again.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?176619-Fall-of-the-Republican-Party/page40

You lied, you plagiarized, and then you ran away when confronted.

You do that often...you talk out of your ass, then when someone confronts you, like I did on that thread, you abandon it entirely then make up weird justifications for not participating.

 

[Stone]

Actually it appears the un American and unGodly repuke strategy is to be ok with the idea of making to hell with tRump and his sewer conspiring human contraband.

 

[LV426]

That's the one where you repeatedly used a variant of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy to try and argue you position.

BTW - you were the one using the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy on that thread, not me.

I addressed every single one of your lies directly.

I posted the actual text of the bill, which you didn't do, and then you tried to Sharpshooter your way through that conversation, to no avail.

You're a phony baloney.

 

[LV426]

That's the one where you repeatedly used a variant of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy to try and argue you position.

ALSO - you're in the habit of accusing others of doing the things you do compulsively on JPP.

The Texas sharpshooter fallacy is when differences in data are ignored, but similarities are overemphasized.

Like what you did when you pretended that Section 6 was about registration, when it was actually about changing already existing registration.

You started by lying here:

Look at section 6 Internet registration.
Anyone can register to vote via the internet without ever appearing in person. In fact, because an e-signature is used and there is no cross validation, literally anyone, real or imagined, could be registered to vote this way. Then they would receive a mail-in ballot, and their e-signature becomes the valid one that checks against the envelope signature.

Which was then corrected by me here:

OK, so you meant this section:

“(6) USE OF INTERNET BY REGISTERED VOTERS TO UPDATE INFORMATION.—

Why are you lying to me about reading this bill?

“(A) IN GENERAL.—The appropriate State or local election official shall ensure that any registered voter on the computerized list may at any time update the voter’s registration information, including the voter’s address and electronic mail address, online through the official public website of the election official responsible for the maintenance of the list, so long as the voter attests to the contents of the update by providing a signature in electronic form in the same manner required under section 6A(c) of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.

So you misread this as registering on the internet when the section is about updating your registration on the internet.

Every single thing you've said so far about this bill has been a lie.

You're such a fucking fraud...I see right through you for the idiotic, hateful, phony baloney poseur loser you truly are.

 

[Nordberg]

We have systems in place to check out elections and they are implemented after every election. Our election system is the envy of the world and has been proven over and over to be extremely accurate and fair.
After this election, Trump the liar, insisted on many more checks. the election passed every single test, from recounts to court cases. This election has completely and clearly been shown to be fair and honest. Yet Trump and his brain-dead followers insist it was stolen. They apparently cannot understand how dangerous that tack is to the nation. The Trumps and other wealthy people are cutting down our systems to remake the nation into the plutocracy they want.
The Trumpys are working against their own interests. Trump has never cared about the people or the nation. The wealthy are not on your side.
Teddy Roosevelt warned us repeatedly about the dark and quiet powers working to remake America. That is why he instituted an inheritance tax and trust-busting. He was very wealthy and knew what they were doing. They never stopped.
The wealthy got thei kind of man in the office with Trump. They did not want it to be him because he is a bit crazy and is not bright. But they used him to get what they wanted. They got huge tax cuts for the wealthy. They gutted regulation. Regulation is what saves the people from the extreme and brutal corporations and the wealthy. The reds think that is good. They are that brainwashed.
The Repub voters vote against their own interests over and over because that hate so much. Their attention has been diverted from the real thieves, the super-wealthy and corporations to the poor and minorities. They are not taking your super hard working money. It is the top 1 percent. Until they learn that, they will be hurting themselves and potentially helping end the American experiment.
They are the opposite of patriotic.

 

[LV426]

One of the things I have learned is that if the Trumppers are accusing someone of something, they likely are doing it.

Exactly. TA accused me of the sharpshooter fallacy when he compulsively used it in another thread about the same topic.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Nope. Try again.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?176619-Fall-of-the-Republican-Party/page40

You lied, you plagiarized, and then you ran away when confronted.

You do that often...you talk out of your ass, then when someone confronts you, like I did on that thread, you abandon it entirely then make up weird justifications for not participating.

So, now it's back to ad hominem... How typical...

 

[LV426]

We have systems in place to check out elections and they are implemented after every election. Our election system is the envy of the world and has been proven over and over to be extremely accurate and fair.
After this election, Trump the liar, insisted on many more checks. the election passed every single test, from recounts to court cases. This election has completely and clearly been shown to be fair and honest. Yet Trump and his brain-dead followers insist it was stolen. They apparently cannot understand how dangerous that tack is to the nation. The Trumps and other wealthy people are cutting down our systems to remake the nation into the plutocracy they want.
The Trumpys are working against their own interests. Trump has never cared about the people or the nation. The wealthy are not on your side.
Teddy Roosevelt warned us repeatedly about the dark and quiet powers working to remake America. That is why he instituted an inheritance tax and trust-busting. He was very wealthy and knew what they were doing. They never stopped.
The wealthy got thei kind of man in the office with Trump. They did not want it to be him because he is a bit crazy and is not bright. But they used him to get what they wanted. They got huge tax cuts for the wealthy. They gutted regulation. Regulation is what saves the people from the extreme and brutal corporations and the wealthy. The reds think that is good. They are that brainwashed.
The Repub voters vote against their own interests over and over because that hate so much. Their attention has been diverted from the real thieves, the super-wealthy and corporations to the poor and minorities. They are not taking your super hard working money. It is the top 1 percent. Until they learn that, they will be hurting themselves and potentially helping end the American experiment.
They are the opposite of patriotic.

The reason they do it is because none of them face any personal consequences for doing so.

They lie, they cheat, they spread misinformation, and none of them are ever held accountable for it.

 

[martin]

All they have are the tactics of the likes of Saul Alinsky (Rules for Radicals), and Hitler (The Big Lie). Nothing new, just a repetition of the failures of the past. One thing they do rely on is rigging the rules in the States they control to insure fewer people can exercise the right to vote. So far all that has done is encourage others to vote, and then they lose. Mary Trump wrote an excellent article abut her uncle Donald, and there was one part I found to be even more exceptional. I don't expect the low IQ right winger to read it, however, for the intelligent people it is still a good read:

"It’s impossible to understand the appeal Donald has for his followers if we try to do so from the perspective of people who value honor, decency, empathy, and kindness in their leaders. It isn’t that they see things in Donald that aren’t there. They identify with what is—the brazenness of his lies, his ability to commit crimes with impunity, his bottomless sense of grievance, his monumental insecurity, his bullying, and, perhaps most intriguing, the fact that he is an inveterate failure who keeps being allowed to succeed. Donald is their proxy and their representative. And their ardor has only seemed to grow since his loss. We need only look at data from North Carolina Senate candidate Ted Budd’s campaign to see how complete this identification is. When Republican primary voters were told that Budd had been endorsed by Donald, there was a 45-point net swing in his favor, skyrocketing him to a 19-point lead over his primary opponent. The idea that any other one-term president (George H.W. Bush or Jimmy Carter) would have had the same kind of influence is laughable. On the other hand, though, neither one of them would have tried.

By the same token, elected Republicans, Donald’s chief enablers, see Donald as a means of perpetuating their own power. But they aren’t just putting up with the worst of him simply because they see him as a means to an end. He is them. They value his mendacity and his name-calling and his autocracy because these work for them as well.

Republicans counter truth with absurdity, rendering the truth inoperable. Now a party of fascists, they call Democrats socialist communist Marxists, which is effective in part because it is so nonsensical and in part because they are never asked to define the terms. They cover up their massive (and successful) efforts at voter suppression with wild claims of widespread voter fraud, which essentially doesn’t exist—31 incidents in over a billion votes cast, a number so vanishingly small as to have no meaning.

The main mechanism by which they can successfully carry out these sleights of hand is fear. Whether it’s drug dealers from Mexico or caravans from Central America or Democratic presidents coming for your guns, abolishing religion, or letting gay people get married, they need to keep their voters afraid.

Mr. Lockwood, the frame-narrator of Wuthering Heights, describes a feverish nightmare in which, during a blizzard, he sees a child outside his window begging to be let in. He is so undone by the appearance of this wraith that he drags its wrist across the broken pane of glass, until its blood soaks his bedsheets. “Terror made me cruel,” he says. Fear is a deeply unpleasant emotion, and Republicans have become expert at stoking it, on the one hand, and transforming it into anger on the other. This state of affairs makes it much easier for their followers to become comfortable with the cruelty of their leaders—whether of policy or of action—as long as it is directed at groups they’ve been told they should fear. It also makes it easier for the Republican rank and file to be comfortable with their own cruelty—it feels better than fear, and it allows them to delude themselves into thinking they have some measure of control, because they have been granted permission by the powers that be to express their cruelty with impunity."

https://newrepublic.com/article/163115/donald-trump-plot-against-america

Maybe the best concise analysis I've seen.

 

[LV426]

So, now it's back to ad hominem... How typical...

What ad hominem?

Is it not fair now to call out plagiarism and laziness?

Because that's what you did on that thread about HR1...you fucking lied about reading the bill, lied about taking notes, then you did some quick Googling of your favorite right-wing fascist sites to provide you with the talking points you needed to posture on JPP.

Don't fucking lie about it, dude...we both know that's what you did.

 

[LV426]

So, now it's back to ad hominem... How typical...

True to form...

You do that often...you talk out of your ass, then when someone confronts you, like I did on that thread, you abandon it entirely then make up weird justifications for not participating.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

I read that article linked in the OP. A lengthy diatribe of typical Leftist POV's covering all the usual TDS subjects. Okay, it was Mary L. Trump's opinion and nothing more. There wasn't a scintilla of fact about what the GOP / Republican's "strategy to win elections" was or is. Nothing, nada, zip-point-shit. It was just the usual flaming of Trump using the same tired arguments. Nothing new, nothing revelatory, nothing worth perusing.

It was a long winded, vacuous op ed by a Trump hater. I can get the Trump hating, but don't try to turn an empty article into some sort of proof of anything.

Sounded pretty rational to me. I don't think hatred is her motivation. I think she is genuinely embarrassed and ashamed of her Uncle, and is trying to give valuable insight into his motivations. She is trying to atone for the disgrace of her family.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

ALSO - you're in the habit of accusing others of doing the things you do compulsively on JPP.

The Texas sharpshooter fallacy is when differences in data are ignored, but similarities are overemphasized.

Like what you did when you pretended that Section 6 was about registration, when it was actually about changing already existing registration.

You started by lying here:



Which was then corrected by me here:

You're such a fucking fraud...I see right through you for the idiotic, hateful, phony baloney poseur loser you truly are.

Anyone could register via the internet to vote:

PART 1—PROMOTING INTERNET REGISTRATION
Sec. 1001. Requiring availability of internet for voter registration.
Sec. 1002. Use of internet to update registration information.
Sec. 1003. Provision of election information by electronic mail to individuals
registered to vote.
Sec. 1004. Clarification of requirement regarding necessary information to
show eligibility to vote.
Sec. 1005. Prohibiting State from requiring applicants to provide more than
last 4 digits of Social Security number.
Sec. 1006. Report on data collection.
Sec. 1007. Permitting voter registration application form to serve as application
for absentee ballot.
Sec. 1008. Effective date.

You are the one that used a variant of the Texas Sharpshooter. You threw in Section 1002 while ignoring Section 1001

PART 1—PROMOTING INTERNET REGISTRATION
2 SEC. 1001. REQUIRING AVAILABILITY OF INTERNET FOR
3 VOTER REGISTRATION.
4 (a) REQUIRING AVAILABILITY OF INTERNET FOR
5 REGISTRATION.—The National Voter Registration Act of
6 1993 (52 U.S.C. 20501 et seq.) is amended by inserting
7 after section 6 the following new section:
8 ‘‘SEC. 6A. INTERNET REGISTRATION.
9 ‘‘(a) REQUIRING AVAILABILITY OF INTERNET FOR
10 ONLINE REGISTRATION.—Each State, acting through the
11 chief State election official, shall ensure that the following
12 services are available to the public at any time on the offi13 cial public websites of the appropriate State and local elec14 tion officials in the State, in the same manner and subject
15 to the same terms and conditions as the services provided
16 by voter registration agencies under section 7(a):

That's but one example of your selective use of the contents of the bill.

I do make mistakes and and can be wrong. But that doesn't make me a liar or a fraud, except in the spittle flinging, frothing-at-the-mouth, delusional ravings of insane Leftists who can't stand anyone questioning anything they believe in in the least. Such tards go and look for every trivial objection they can find to try and defend the indefensible.
Sometimes, for the sane it's just not worth continuing to argue with an insane idiot.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

The Democrat method is to pass a law legalizing voter fraud, like the HR 1 "Fuck the Voters Act..."

How does that proposed law legalize fraud?

I don't see that happening.

Voter fraud is quite nil.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

Sounded pretty rational to me. I don't think hatred is her motivation. I think she is genuinely embarrassed and ashamed of her Uncle, and is trying to give valuable insight into his motivations. She is trying to atone for the disgrace of her family.

Mary Trump has a long history of dissing Donald. She clearly hates him and is willing to put into print any innuendo, rumor, half-truth, and gossip she can to trash him. It's not like I care for or like the Don. I think he's a world-class troll and asshole among other negatives. But I also don't put any faith in a female relative that has an axe to grind with him being truthful, honest, or fair in publishing what amounts to a tome of gossip on him.

 

[PoliTalker]

We have systems in place to check out elections and they are implemented after every election. Our election system is the envy of the world and has been proven over and over to be extremely accurate and fair.
After this election, Trump the liar, insisted on many more checks. the election passed every single test, from recounts to court cases. This election has completely and clearly been shown to be fair and honest. Yet Trump and his brain-dead followers insist it was stolen. They apparently cannot understand how dangerous that tack is to the nation. The Trumps and other wealthy people are cutting down our systems to remake the nation into the plutocracy they want.
The Trumpys are working against their own interests. Trump has never cared about the people or the nation. The wealthy are not on your side.
Teddy Roosevelt warned us repeatedly about the dark and quiet powers working to remake America. That is why he instituted an inheritance tax and trust-busting. He was very wealthy and knew what they were doing. They never stopped.
The wealthy got thei kind of man in the office with Trump. They did not want it to be him because he is a bit crazy and is not bright. But they used him to get what they wanted. They got huge tax cuts for the wealthy. They gutted regulation. Regulation is what saves the people from the extreme and brutal corporations and the wealthy. The reds think that is good. They are that brainwashed.
The Repub voters vote against their own interests over and over because that hate so much. Their attention has been diverted from the real thieves, the super-wealthy and corporations to the poor and minorities. They are not taking your super hard working money. It is the top 1 percent. Until they learn that, they will be hurting themselves and potentially helping end the American experiment.
They are the opposite of patriotic.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



How does that proposed law legalize fraud?

I don't see that happening.

Voter fraud is quite nil.

Voter fraud is rare now, but HR 1 makes it possible for all sorts of hard to detect fraud to be run on a massive scale. To wit:

Since voters can register on-line and through third parties like political organizations, there is all sorts of potential for someone to fraudulently register and go undetected.
There is no voter ID requirement to vote
Most or even all balloting is done via mail
Ballot harvesting is legal so anyone can handle ballots.
16 and 17 year-olds get registered to vote when they get a driver's license. The bill provides they can't vote but suffer no consequences if they "accidently" do. They would likely get mailed a ballot being registered to vote since there is no provision for flagging them as ineligible other than their own recognizance.
There is a voting 'season' if you will that lasts a month or more. This gives someone intent on mass fraud lots of time to carry it out.
There's more in it than that.

The point is, it opens the door to massive, hard to detect, fraud in elections.