The Real Uncle Toms

[Minister of Truth]

You're just plain wrong about them considering themselves Englishmen! There are very few examples of this, MOST of them preferred "Colonialists" over "Englishmen." They LEFT England, you dimwit! Traveled across a huge ocean for weeks, came to a country without running water and nothing but the clothes on their backs, to get away from the British Monarchy and authoritarian rule of the King. Without fault, MOST of them were NOT big fans of Britain!

There is nothing ignorant in what I have stated, and if you've read any historical accounts of the period, you should understand this. It sounds like you half-ass read the history, then assigned your own intents and reasons for the actions. It's the only way I can explain how you would think what you've articulated. This is not the first time you've interjected your personal opinion regarding the sentiments of the day, you do this all the time, and it's often some perverted abstract of how some people might think today as opposed to 230 years ago. It's almost like you want to make some kind of statement against Iraq based on some fake perspective you claim people had in 1776!

I read through your little 'explanation' of the mindset, and it appears you think the only valid reason for war is disdain for someone's culture. Like that is the only reason we would ever go to war, and that's what made it so hard to go to war against England, we didn't oppose their culture! In 1776, we weren't in any position to be opposing someone's culture, and the fact is, our own culture was just being formed, and it was quite radical to most of the traditional world. It's absurd to presume Americans had any animosity toward others because of a difference in culture! In short, you are totally full of horse shit.

1) Most of the Founders did not come from England, but instead came from a line of established colonial families. The attitudes of their respective regions had changed since first being established. The only region that had ever really been all that hostile to Britain was Puritan New England, and you can see how numerous the Anglophiles had become in that area.

2) I inferred nothing about Iraq. With regard to war, the French & Indian War had been a source of hyperpatriotism amongst the colonists, who were proud to have faught as Englishmen against the evil French nemesis.

3) If you don't think American Colonists were prejudiced against non-English cultures, look no further than the speeches of evangelists/ministers/etc. of the time who constantly berated France as an evil, decadent, hellish nightmare of a culture.

4) You are an ignorant Southerner who has no qualms about the idea of separation on the spur of the moment without regard to tradition or culture. The South at the time of the Revolution was a very different place than the one we remember from the 19th Century to the present day. It was more loyal than the Middle and New England colonies, as it had been established exclusively as a commerical enterprise and not as a safe haven or religious mecca, and as such it had a disproportionate number of Loyalists in it compared to the other regions.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

During the American Civil War, an interesting anomaly took place as we moved toward the realization of abolition. A considerable number of slaves were not in favor of abandoning the institution... it sounds incredible, but it is true. Behavior experts would later dub the phenomenon as "plantation mentality" and this is how it works... There is security in accepting the status quot. Because slaves knew and understood the 'system' would provide for a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs, protection from the outside world, keeping the family intact, and afford generally tolerable conditions of living, they were apprehensive about disrupting that and replacing it with an unknown. Where would they go, what would they do, how would they keep their families together? So their inclinations were to accept their lot in life and remain content to be slaves, for a good master, for the security and stability of it all. This example is illustrated in Harriet Beecher Stowe's 1852 novel Uncle Tom's Cabin.

It is a perfectly natural human condition. Few of us inherently desire to be confrontational or controversial, we mostly long to be accepted as normal, whether overtly or inertly. When we think about the way things were in the days of Rosa Parks, we see the same sort of 'Uncle Tom' behavior. Most black people simply accepted that they were supposed to ride on the back of the bus. It was easier to just put up with systemic racism and be thankful they let you on a bus and you didn't have to walk. Oh they didn't like it, but what could the individual do about it? What purpose would it serve to protest it, other than to get your head bashed in and thrown in jail or hung from the nearest tree? Most black people lowered their head for 100 years, and allowed the institutionalized prejudice and racism to prevail in our society, because it was easier to do what everyone else did, to go along with how things were, to be content with it remaining the same. It wasn't until an individual, like Rosa Parks, refused to accept it anymore. It took that individual breaking away from what everyone else was doing, to take a confrontational and controversial stand.

The Democrat Party has become very reliable Masters of the Plantation. They take care of the basic needs for all the special interest groups, providing government funding and support in sufficient enough amounts to enable a bearable existence. People can get that check at the first of the month, and pay the light bill, or keep a roof over their heads. They know the Masters will tend to them if they get sick, or if they can't work... life is easier that way. Rather than embracing real hope and opportunity for their futures, through free enterprise, free-market capitalism, rewarding success and encouraging it in everyone... they find it easier to support the socialist entitlement programs, which ARE their plantation. Our welfare system is a trap, not a cure for poverty, an enabler of poverty conditions! Those who are unfortunate enough to be caught in the trap, are helpless as individuals to do anything about their personal condition, so they accept it... the same way Uncle Tom accepted it, the same way blacks before Rosa Parks accepted it. At least they paid the light bill this month, at least they kept the heat turned on! They are still chattel to the master, but who cares, life is okay! The Master is good to them... they have no complaints!

It takes one individual, one voice... standing against all the rest, breaking the shackles and challenging what everyone else is accepting... what 90% of black America is currently supporting in the Democratic Party! If black Americans, or any minority group for that matter, is honestly interested in bettering their condition in life, raising their standard of living or achieving success, they are backing the wrong party. Democrats enjoy running the Plantation! It suits them fine to dangle carrots out there, and perpetuate class envy, and keep their slaves down on the plantation happy! It not only suits them, it is crucial to their very survival and existence, they can't do it without your support, or at least, your Uncle Tom acceptance of the status quot.

The Road to Serfdom stated badly.

No black person is ever going to vote for the Republicans for the next century or two. Quit dreaming. There is no more solid constituency than the African-American one, and no more liberal constituency than them. Your patronizing remarks aren't going to help you in that regard.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

1) Most of the Founders did not come from England, but instead came from a line of established colonial families. The attitudes of their respective regions had changed since first being established. The only region that had ever really been all that hostile to Britain was Puritan New England, and you can see how numerous the Anglophiles had become in that area.

2) I inferred nothing about Iraq. With regard to war, the French & Indian War had been a source of hyperpatriotism amongst the colonists, who were proud to have faught as Englishmen against the evil French nemesis.

3) If you don't think American Colonists were prejudiced against non-English cultures, look no further than the speeches of evangelists/ministers/etc. of the time who constantly berated France as an evil, decadent, hellish nightmare of a culture.

4) You are an ignorant Southerner who has no qualms about the idea of separation on the spur of the moment without regard to tradition or culture. The South at the time of the Revolution was a very different place than the one we remember from the 19th Century to the present day. It was more loyal than the Middle and New England colonies, as it had been established exclusively as a commerical enterprise and not as a safe haven or religious mecca, and as such it had a disproportionate number of Loyalists in it compared to the other regions.

I support this. Full of awesome.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I think you are mistaken, there are still housing projects full of people who get a check from the government every month. They have been there for more than a year or two, we are up to about the FIFTH generation now! The Clinton welfare reforms didn't remove everyone from the welfare rolls, it only did some things to make it easier to transition from it. It helped, but it did not eliminate people being on welfare, and if that was your understanding, you are misinformed.

There is no other way besides TANF to recieve a monthly check for the government in the fashion you described, and TANF lasts for two years. Your scenario is impossible.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

1) Most of the Founders did not come from England, but instead came from a line of established colonial families. The attitudes of their respective regions had changed since first being established. The only region that had ever really been all that hostile to Britain was Puritan New England, and you can see how numerous the Anglophiles had become in that area.

2) I inferred nothing about Iraq. With regard to war, the French & Indian War had been a source of hyperpatriotism amongst the colonists, who were proud to have faught as Englishmen against the evil French nemesis.

3) If you don't think American Colonists were prejudiced against non-English cultures, look no further than the speeches of evangelists/ministers/etc. of the time who constantly berated France as an evil, decadent, hellish nightmare of a culture.

4) You are an ignorant Southerner who has no qualms about the idea of separation on the spur of the moment without regard to tradition or culture. The South at the time of the Revolution was a very different place than the one we remember from the 19th Century to the present day. It was more loyal than the Middle and New England colonies, as it had been established exclusively as a commerical enterprise and not as a safe haven or religious mecca, and as such it had a disproportionate number of Loyalists in it compared to the other regions.

Why the hell are you making new arguments and putting numbers beside them as if they are counter-arguments to something I've posted? Are you fucking imagining that I am posting things that I haven't posted or something? I don't get this!!

1. I never said that most of the Founders came from England, YOU said they were proud to call themselves "Englishmen" and I challenged that! Technically speaking, you just made a logical point of contradiction to your own argument... how could someone view themselves as "Englishmen" if they didn't come from England?

2. I said it sounded like you were trying to make some larger point about Iraq with the whole "didn't oppose their culture" thing... I don't fucking know what the hell you are trying to say, none of it makes much sense. People were no different about war in 1776 than they are today, some opposed it and others realized the need for it! There was no universal "feeling" shared by all, or even a majority of people, regarding how "proud" they were as "Englishmen" (who weren't from England) to go fight a war with the French!

3. I never said one word about who some people might be prejudiced against in 1776, I am sure it ran the gamut! I don't believe wars are fought over simple prejudice or disapproval of culture, that seems to be your thinking. With regard to the "evil hellish nightmare" also known as France, we likely wouldn't have won the Revolution without the aid of their Navy!

4. I realize you feel compelled to post a hateful rant toward the South, but it has nothing to do with ANYTHING being discussed here. In fact, NONE of this has anything to do with the thread topic! What the fuck's the matter with you? Stop acting like you are mentally deranged... hearing posts that don't exist and shit!

 

[DamnYankee]

A brilliant OP Dixie and congratulations for that.

I notice that you have in fact rendered the 'rats among us speechless, or at least resorting to silly responses trying to derail the issues that you raised.

 

[Minister of Truth]

You're just plain wrong about them considering themselves Englishmen! There are very few examples of this, MOST of them preferred "Colonialists" over "Englishmen." They LEFT England, you dimwit! Traveled across a huge ocean for weeks, came to a country without running water and nothing but the clothes on their backs, to get away from the British Monarchy and authoritarian rule of the King. Without fault, MOST of them were NOT big fans of Britain!

1. I never said that most of the Founders came from England, YOU said they were proud to call themselves "Englishmen" and I challenged that! Technically speaking, you just made a logical point of contradiction to your own argument... how could someone view themselves as "Englishmen" if they didn't come from England?

Stop acting like you are mentally deranged... hearing posts that don't exist and shit!

I'm too lazy to go cross-reference all of you're other lies, but you seriously need to learn how to read. Fucking idiot.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Dixie is just stubborn to the point of insipidness.

The Radical Republicans that were against slavery don't exist anymore...they have been replaced by neocons, ultra conservatives, the "silent majority", and the like.

The pro-slavery Democrat have long ago been reduced to Dixie-crats, and then further reduced to an offshoot known as "blue dog" democrats.

Dixie's simplistic version of Black Civil rights movement since the slavery days is just that "simplistic"...and self serving of his warped view of why black Americans vote Democratic. Bottom line: since 1968 the GOP has been anything but supportive of Black civil rights whole heartedly.

Someone needs to wake Dixie up....Black people are not the stupid sheep he portrays them as. Blacks overwhelming vote Democratic because they recognized that as things change over the decades the GOP wasn't going to do right by them.....that you would have mindsets like Dixie to deal with in that majority. His use of the phrase "uncle Tom" speaks volumes as to where his head is at, because he just doesn't have (and doesn't want to) a clue as to why this latest row to oust Dems and Obama via the Reid mind fart won't work.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Well, I must say, its hard for me to respect people who would turn around and vote Dem after all of that rich history. But if blacks want to continue to live in squalor, and worse, then I don't give a fuck at all. Now its all on them, and I refuse to try and change minds or attempt to help anyone who won't meet me halfway.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Someone needs to wake Dixie up....Black people are not the stupid sheep he portrays them as. Blacks overwhelming vote Democratic because they recognized that as things change over the decades the GOP wasn't going to do right by them.....

Well let's take a look at what Democrats have done for black people in America.... WHAT?? ANYTHING? I mean, other than an entitlement program here and there, some 'initiative' money scattered about? Funding corrupt organizations like ACORN? What exactly have Democrats done for black people in America over the past few decades? Have they given them positions of power? Nope... it's Republicans who have done that! Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Micheal Steele... While Democrats reject blacks like Al Sharpton and fawn over blacks like Obama because of their skin tone and manner of speaking... ADMIT they do this, and think nothing of it!

Black support of the Democrat Party amounts to plantation mentality, it is about as obvious as it can be! They support the status quot, because at least it's better than nothing! Just as riding on the back of the bus, was once thought to be 'better than nothing' and tolerated by a vast majority of blacks! Just as Rosa Parks had to stand up and say, you know what, we can do better than this--- someone is going to have to stand up to the Democrats and say... ENOUGH! The dangling carrot trick doesn't work forever, and no matter how 'stupid' you presume black people to be, they will eventually figure it out, and you'll see a mass exodus from your Plantation Party!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Well, I must say, its hard for me to respect people who would turn around and vote Dem after all of that rich history. But if blacks want to continue to live in squalor, and worse, then I don't give a fuck at all. Now its all on them, and I refuse to try and change minds or attempt to help anyone who won't meet me halfway.

It's hard to take you seriously when you make amazingly incorrect generalizations and try to pass them off as viable oberservations.

How on God's green Earth did you arrive at the conclusion that black folk in general "live in squalor" and it's solely the fault of the Democratic Party? How old are you? Don't they teach anything about the Civil Right's movement in the schools any more?

Can you logically or factually contradict what I posted?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

It's hard to take you seriously when you make amazingly incorrect generalizations and try to pass them off as viable oberservations.

How on God's green Earth did you arrive at the conclusion that black folk in general "live in squalor" and it's solely the fault of the Democratic Party? How old are you? Don't they teach anything about the Civil Right's movement in the schools any more?

Can you logically or factually contradict what I posted?

I can, smart ass! Statistical data shows more blacks live below poverty level than any other group, they historically make less money, and have a much higher unemployment rate than the national average. In general, they DO live in squalor, compared to the rest of society! I won't say this is completely the fault of the Democrat Party, but they sure as hell didn't help much in the 60-year reign of political power, supported by large majorities of blacks!

The Civil Rights movement happened in 1964... 46 years ago! Most adults from that era are either dead or in a nursing home! Democrats controlled congress up until 1994, that's 30 years of Democrats having the full opportunity to help black America... what have they done? What have they to show for it all? Blacks continue to live below the poverty level, they continue to have babies out of wedlock, they continue to struggle with employment and prosperity, they have virtually no political power to speak of, other than Obama... ('a light-skinned one, who doesn't talk like the rest of them!' cr:Harry Reid)

 

[Taichiliberal]

OriginallyTaichiliberal posted:
Someone needs to wake Dixie up....Black people are not the stupid sheep he portrays them as. Blacks overwhelming vote Democratic because they recognized that as things change over the decades the GOP wasn't going to do right by them.....

Well let's take a look at what Democrats have done for black people in America.... WHAT?? ANYTHING? I mean, other than an entitlement program here and there, some 'initiative' money scattered about? Funding corrupt organizations like ACORN? What exactly have Democrats done for black people in America over the past few decades? Have they given them positions of power? Nope... it's Republicans who have done that! Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Micheal Steele... While Democrats reject blacks like Al Sharpton and fawn over blacks like Obama because of their skin tone and manner of speaking... ADMIT they do this, and think nothing of it!

Black support of the Democrat Party amounts to plantation mentality, it is about as obvious as it can be! They support the status quot, because at least it's better than nothing! Just as riding on the back of the bus, was once thought to be 'better than nothing' and tolerated by a vast majority of blacks! Just as Rosa Parks had to stand up and say, you know what, we can do better than this--- someone is going to have to stand up to the Democrats and say... ENOUGH! The dangling carrot trick doesn't work forever, and no matter how 'stupid' you presume black people to be, they will eventually figure it out, and you'll see a mass exodus from your Plantation Party!

Dixie, you are a mass of patronizing racial cliches steep in distortions, exaggerations, half truths and lies. Talk your BS that to all the black doctors, cops, construction workers, military personnel, nurses, electricians, teachers, clergy, etc., and they'll tell you to get stuffed. The NAACP would tell you to piss off (you know, the group Parks belonged to).

For you to criticize Dems about Al Sharpton is a joke...as if YOU or the GOP readily embrace Sharpton. Puh-leeze!

FYI: Colin Powell OPENLY criticized the GOP and endorsed Obama. You must have slept through that one. So much for your "fawning" rhetoric.

The record of Rice's dismal performance with the Shrub & company is on record....I guess she'll miss out on the sales on 5th Avenue during the next US natural disaster. And Steele's "we got one too" promotion was so pathetically transparent that it appeases only mindset's like yours.

As Acorn is guilty of questionable internal machinations (the brothers embezzling funds and the non-reporting of the incident to the Feds) and should be closed because of that.....TO DATE THE CHARGES OF FALSE VOTER REGISTRATION HAVE ALL BEEN PROVEN PATENTLY FALSE. If you can prove different in a legal court, then alert the media.

Much to the chagrin of the GOP, because more legally registered black voters mean less chances for GOP election wins in many areas.

Like it or not, you had WHITE CONSERVATIVE Republican voters REJECT the neocon driven GOP and VOTE for Obama. And when interviewed, many said in no-uncertain-terms that they could NOT afford another 4 years of the PNAC driven GOP running the country.

But that's nothing to you...because it's all about YOU categorizing black people in a negative light...as a bunch of sheep easily fooled and lead.

Hell, in the last 20 years you've had black Democratic party members criticize the Party openly....and the results were the changes under Clinton and recently Obama have been more than just window dressing.

Like I told you before, the Radical Republicans are NO MORE...they've been replaced by the Moral Majority, the ultra conservatives, the birthers, the teabaggers, the neocons...people who historically were not exactly friendly to the civil rights movement.

And the Dixiecrats no longer run the Democratic Party.....only recently have they morphed into "bluedogs" and found strength supporting the neocon agenda.

Spare us all your faux concern for Black civil rights in this country. Clearly you are in denial of the last 50 years in this country. No one but other neocons and cowardly bigots are buying your bilge.

Personally, I'll be happy when a viable THIRD PARTY emerges that bests both Dem and GOP and works for ALL. Until then, people work with what they've got...and that means NOT letting Confederate flag waving diehards like you dictate/pontificate on how black folk should act and think.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
It's hard to take you seriously when you make amazingly incorrect generalizations and try to pass them off as viable oberservations.

How on God's green Earth did you arrive at the conclusion that black folk in general "live in squalor" and it's solely the fault of the Democratic Party? How old are you? Don't they teach anything about the Civil Right's movement in the schools any more?

Can you logically or factually contradict what I posted?

I can, smart ass! Statistical data shows more blacks live below poverty level than any other group, they historically make less money, and have a much higher unemployment rate than the national average. In general, they DO live in squalor, compared to the rest of society! I won't say this is completely the fault of the Democrat Party, but they sure as hell didn't help much in the 60-year reign of political power, supported by large majorities of blacks!

The Civil Rights movement happened in 1964... 46 years ago! Most adults from that era are either dead or in a nursing home! Democrats controlled congress up until 1994, that's 30 years of Democrats having the full opportunity to help black America... what have they done? What have they to show for it all? Blacks continue to live below the poverty level, they continue to have babies out of wedlock, they continue to struggle with employment and prosperity, they have virtually no political power to speak of, other than Obama... ('a light-skinned one, who doesn't talk like the rest of them!' cr:Harry Reid)

Your first paragraph: Next to Native Americans, Black folks are the LARGEST group that was historically denied their rights as human beings and then citizens for generations...BOTH recognitions legally came about in the Supreme Court decision of 1954.

By 1968 the Dixiecrats were subdued and the Radical Republicans disappeared.

Since then you've had a back and forth of State and Federal gov't leadership that has helped and stymied civil rights change and social/economic change.
Bottom line: with folk with your mindset in charge of things, do you honestly think that nearly 4 centuries of bigotry and racism with all the ramifications would disappear in 40 years?

And what is this bullshit about Dem 60 year reign...or did you sleep through Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Daddy Bush? And the Dems may have controlled the House, but never the Senate, and Never BOTH since I've been alive. So spare us all the your revisionist history.

Oh and according to the Census bureau, the majority of people on welfare are white, single parent females. So you can blow your "black only" insinuations out your Confederate flag linened ass.

Reid's mind fart was a stark reminder of "dirty politics"...how every nasty little thing about society is used to get the edge. In actuality, Reid's comment is more of an accurate assessment of jokers like YOU than a swipe at black folk....although it's a nasty way of putting things, it's none-the-less true. TFB if a confederate flag waving cretin like yourself can't deal with it.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

...as if YOU or the GOP readily embrace Sharpton. Puh-leeze!

Since when does the GOP get to decide who Democrats support in the primaries, or who they allow into the debates, etc.? What I know is, Al Sharpton was presenting the exact same platform in '04 as Obama in '08, but wasn't even allowed into the debate with the other two leading candidates. (Kerry & Edwards) The GOP didn't decide this, did they????

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Personally, I'll be happy when a viable THIRD PARTY emerges that bests both Dem and GOP and works for ALL.

Man...... this is when you can tell the libtards are totally losing it!
When they start playing the "all-politicians-are-scum" card, and talking in third party turkeyisms!

RUN LITTLE LIBERALS RUN!!

 

[Minister of Truth]

It's hard to take you seriously when you make amazingly incorrect generalizations and try to pass them off as viable oberservations.

How on God's green Earth did you arrive at the conclusion that black folk in general "live in squalor" and it's solely the fault of the Democratic Party? How old are you? Don't they teach anything about the Civil Right's movement in the schools any more?

Can you logically or factually contradict what I posted?

In every category, blacks consistently fall behind not just Asians, but Latinos as well, which is just a sad situation to be in. Putting your hopes on the Dems to put bread on the table for you = recipe for disaster.

 

[DamnYankee]

....

The Radical Republicans that were against slavery don't exist anymore...they have been replaced by neocons, ultra conservatives, the "silent majority", and the like......

LOL Pure conjecture; zero facts.

Anyone who knows me personally tells me I'm one of the most radical republicans that they've ever known yet you continue to label me as a "neocon" which itself it complete bullshit.

Based on that alone you're so full of shit your eyes must be brown.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

LOL Pure conjecture; zero facts.

Anyone who knows me personally tells me I'm one of the most radical republicans that they've ever known yet you continue to label me as a "neocon" which itself it complete bullshit.

Based on that alone you're so full of shit your eyes must be brown.

Single-cell amoeba's don't have eyes!

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Your first paragraph: Next to Native Americans, Black folks are the LARGEST group that was historically denied their rights as human beings and then citizens for generations...BOTH recognitions legally came about in the Supreme Court decision of 1954.

By 1968 the Dixiecrats were subdued and the Radical Republicans disappeared.

Since then you've had a back and forth of State and Federal gov't leadership that has helped and stymied civil rights change and social/economic change.
Bottom line: with folk with your mindset in charge of things, do you honestly think that nearly 4 centuries of bigotry and racism with all the ramifications would disappear in 40 years?

And what is this bullshit about Dem 60 year reign...or did you sleep through Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Daddy Bush? And the Dems may have controlled the House, but never the Senate, and Never BOTH since I've been alive. So spare us all the your revisionist history.

Oh and according to the Census bureau, the majority of people on welfare are white, single parent females. So you can blow your "black only" insinuations out your Confederate flag linened ass.

Reid's mind fart was a stark reminder of "dirty politics"...how every nasty little thing about society is used to get the edge. In actuality, Reid's comment is more of an accurate assessment of jokers like YOU than a swipe at black folk....although it's a nasty way of putting things, it's none-the-less true. TFB if a confederate flag waving cretin like yourself can't deal with it.

How old are you?

because there are numerous times when the Dems controlled both house and Senate.

1949-1952 (also had WH) (4)
1955-1981 (also had WH 61-68, 77-81) (26)
1987-1994 (also had WH 93/94) (8 years)
2007-present (also had WH in 2009-present) (3)


So in the past 60 years the Dems have controlled both houses of Congress for 41 of them.

In Contrast, the Reps have controlled both for 10 years.