the power to tax

Think for a minute please. If you pay alot in taxes and there is a tax cut - you will get a bigger tax cut then those who pay less in taxes

It is like if you and I go to a store with a 50% off sale. I but $1000 worth of stuff - my savings would be $500

If you buy $100 - you save $50

Are you going to bitch to the store manager I got a $500 discount and you only got $50?

The so called "rich" are paying MORE in taxes now even after the Bush tax cut
 
red states rule said:
The numbers are there and go back for years. They are clear, the higher the taxes the more people flee the state

You still think with obama's tax increases rates will still be the same under Clinton

It takes a man to admit when he is wrong - that rules you out from the start CFM
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no correlation exists. you can show that people moved and you can show that taxes increased.... you cannot show that taxes were the reason they moved.

sorry moron.
 
maineman said:
no correlation exists. you can show that people moved and you can show that taxes increased.... you cannot show that taxes were the reason they moved.

sorry moron.
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nobody moves because of taxes.....it's always the libraries......people gravitate to the cities with the best libraries.....and donuts....gotta have good donuts.......
 
maineman said:
funny.... if you go to Real Clear Politics, a site that you used to tout as being THE poll of polls, you will see that, since the week of his inauguration, Obama's approval rating has only gone down 7%.

7% in six months is not really that significant, is it?
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you are correct, he is right about where Bush was six months in to his Presidency.

Now look at the polls where his POLICIES are the topic of the polls. Those numbers are falling fast. As is his support among Independents.
 
red states rule said:
Think for a minute please. If you pay alot in taxes and there is a tax cut - you will get a bigger tax cut then those who pay less in taxes

It is like if you and I go to a store with a 50% off sale. I but $1000 worth of stuff - my savings would be $500

If you buy $100 - you save $50

Are you going to bitch to the store manager I got a $500 discount and you only got $50?

The so called "rich" are paying MORE in taxes now even after the Bush tax cut
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So you're disputing the IRS?

"Between 2005 and 2006, those 400 Americans saw their income rise nearly 23 percent, and through the first six years of the Bush administration their average tax rate fall by a third, to 17.2 percent, Bloomberg reported.

That 17.2 percent tax rate was the lowest the group has paid on average since the IRS began keeping track of the country's 400 biggest taxpayers in 1992, the agency's data shows."
 
DonQuixote said:
note the preamble to the constitution, however, forget the constitution for a minute and consider moral behavior for nations and people

or do you think that throwing people under the bus is the way to go
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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hmmm, nothing about guaranteed incomes or health insurance.
 
maineman said:
no correlation exists. you can show that people moved and you can show that taxes increased.... you cannot show that taxes were the reason they moved.

sorry moron.
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so we should legislate that anyone moving out of state must fill out a state form that explicitly states their reason for moving. gotcha. :rolleyes:
 
PostmodernProphet said:
nobody moves because of taxes.....it's always the libraries......people gravitate to the cities with the best libraries.....and donuts....gotta have good donuts.......
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I have NEVER considered a state or city's tax rates when determining if I would move there. Climate, culture, and school system - and proximity to my employer - were always my focus.

Additionally, I have NEVER considered moving FROM a location that I thoroughly enjoyed and in which I was gainfully employed simply because the marginal income tax rate changed or the mill rate increased.
 
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maineman said:
Additionally, I have NEVER considered moving FROM a location that I thoroughly enjoyed and in which I was gainfully employed simply because the marginal income tax rate changed or the mill rate increased.
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I suspect no one has ever tried to tax half or more of your income, either...
 
maineman said:
of course not... just don't then try to create correlation out of opinion.
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when I hear people tell me, or others, that they moved because of the property tax rate or state sales tax increase......I have to come to the conclusion that some people are moving because of a tax increase.
 
red states rule said:
I advocate stopping a tiny minority paying a majority of taxes so the majority will stop getting their money

Again, when is enough enough for liberals? The top 1% make 18% of the money but pay 40% of all fedral income taxes
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But individually they only pay the top rate. The reason they pay 40% is because they make so much money meaning they get taxed at that top rate. The best way to avoid all this is a flat tax. All moneys earned treated as income, period. Everything taxed at 17 to 20% after the first 35k. No deductions. It is the ONLY fair system and the top 1% will STILL be paying more in taxes. I am even willing to let the top level go to 27% for all money after 1 million so long as it pays down the deficit. (Superfreak gets credit for this one). The rich are not the enemy. Most people in this country, if asked would say they want to be rich. I know damn few people that would say they want to be poor or want to stay poor.
 
AssHatZombie said:
So it's your assertion that taxation would never make a person move?

Are you chained to your zip code?
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you really are the gold medal winner for jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

It is my only assertion that red states drool cannot say that because there is a net migration away from states with high tax rates, that that migration is CAUSED by high tax rates.

I am not CHAINED anywhere....but I happen to love my job and my home and it is close to all my kids and if the tax rate went up, and none of those other factors changed, I would not think that an incremental rise in taxes would be enough to make me want to leave all the things that I like about this area.
 
maineman said:
you really are the gold medal winner for jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

It is my only assertion that red states drool cannot say that because there is a net migration away from states with high tax rates, that that migration is CAUSED by high tax rates.

I am not CHAINED anywhere....but I happen to love my job and my home and it is close to all my kids and if the tax rate went up, and none of those other factors changed, I would not think that an incremental rise in taxes would be enough to make me want to leave all the things that I like about this area.
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And everyone feels identically on the issue? Did you do a survey?
 
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