The People Promising Us "Net Zero" Have No Clue About The Energy Storage Problem

Primavera said:
Roger Andrews was an exceedingly clever man and I doubt that he would have been 'phased' by electrical network design. Here is a plan by him for a huge pumped hydro scheme in Scotland.

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https://scottishscientist.wordpress...ver-pumped-storage-hydro-scheme-for-scotland/
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The problem with pumped hydro is the "pumped" part. To lift some mass of water x feet into storage takes about as much energy as you derive from it when you release it to make electricity. That is for all intents, you use one KW to store one KW and then release one KW. So, you are using 2 KW to get 1 KW when you need it. That's a horribly inefficient system compared to just generating the power on demand when needed.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The problem with pumped hydro is the "pumped" part. To lift some mass of water x feet into storage takes about as much energy as you derive from it when you release it to make electricity. That is for all intents, you use one KW to store one KW and then release one KW. So, you are using 2 KW to get 1 KW when you need it. That's a horribly inefficient system compared to just generating the power on demand when needed.
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The water is pumped at night when electricity is cheaper, it can be used as a way to offload excess electricity from wind turbines. Yes it's inefficient but then so is using batteries, more so in fact.
 
Primavera said:
The water is pumped at night when electricity is cheaper, it can be used as a way to offload excess electricity.
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Makes no difference. Wasting power to store power is wasteful compared to just generating it on demand. Here, you have to build the pumping station and pipelines to move the water. Then more pipelines and hydroelectric generators to make the power. This duplicates the installed power generation system that is allowing it to work.

Better, we just build a generating station that can supply the power on demand and not waste a nickel on building all this infrastructure to begin with.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Makes no difference. Wasting power to store power is wasteful compared to just generating it on demand. Here, you have to build the pumping station and pipelines to move the water. Then more pipelines and hydroelectric generators to make the power. This duplicates the installed power generation system that is allowing it to work.

Better, we just build a generating station that can supply the power on demand and not waste a nickel on building all this infrastructure to begin with.
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Ok, try telling the loonys that control energy policy in Germany, New York and California that. Better to use excess electricity from renewables that would go to waste otherwise. You know as well as me that these people are pig ignorant and will never build nuclear again. They'd rather spend quadrillions on batteries instead, you know that perfectly well!!
 
Primavera said:
Ok, try telling the loonys that control energy policy in Germany, New York and California that. Better to use excess electricity from renewables that would go to waste otherwise. You know as well as me that these people are pig ignorant and will never build nuclear again. They'd rather spend quadrillions on batteries instead, you know that perfectly well!!
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Better not to build "renewables" at all. And, yes, these retarded fuckwads will destroy society and the economy to prove their theories wrong, and then walk away saying "We'll do better next time trying this!" Also, I have tried to tell them this. Their response is:

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T. A. Gardner said:
Better not to build "renewables" at all. And, yes, these retarded fuckwads will destroy society and the economy to prove their theories wrong, and then walk away saying "We'll do better next time trying this!" Also, I have tried to tell them this. Their response is:

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Yes exactly and no doubt the lake formed can be used for recreational purposes as well, especially Laguna del Diablo in Baja California.
 
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Primavera said:
Ok, try telling the loonys that control energy policy in Germany, New York and California that. Better to use excess electricity from renewables that would go to waste otherwise. You know as well as me that these people are pig ignorant and will never build nuclear again. They'd rather spend quadrillions on batteries instead, you know that perfectly well!!
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I read they're going nuclear in Germany. Whoops! That was France.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/11/business/nuclear-power-france/index.html
 
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