APP - The Norwegian prison where inmates are treated like people

tekkychick

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When will we realize that we have to help people who are leaving prison if we don't want them to re-offend?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people

But what really sets us [note: UK and Norway] apart is the Norwegian attitude towards prisoners. Four years ago I was invited into Skien maximum security prison, 20 miles north of Oslo. I had heard stories about Norway's liberal attitude. In fact, Skien is a concrete fortress as daunting as any prison I have ever experienced and houses some of the most serious law-breakers in the country. Recently it was the temporary residence of Anders Breivik, the man who massacred 77 people in July 2011.

Despite the seriousness of their crimes, however, I found that the loss of liberty was all the punishment they suffered. Cells had televisions, computers, integral showers and sanitation. Some prisoners were segregated for various reasons, but as the majority served their time – anything up to the 21-year maximum sentence (Norway has no death penalty or life sentence) – they were offered education, training and skill-building programmes. Instead of wings and landings they lived in small "pod" communities within the prison, limiting the spread of the corrosive criminal prison subculture that dominates traditionally designed prisons. The teacher explained that all prisons in Norway worked on the same principle, which he believed was the reason the country had, at less than 30%, the lowest reoffending figures in Europe and less than half the rate in the UK.

The reoffending rate for those released from Bastoy speaks for itself. At just 16%, it is the lowest in Europe.
 
There are only 4000 odd prisoners in Norway whereas there are over 2 million in the US.

And - we have a lot more prison guards in the US. No reason with our bigger land mass and our bigger population that we can't treat prisoners more like the Norwegian model, so that recidivism gets reduced.
 
And - we have a lot more prison guards in the US. No reason with our bigger land mass and our bigger population that we can't treat prisoners more like the Norwegian model, so that recidivism gets reduced.

I am not saying that you can't but the great US public wouldn't want to pay for it.
 
I am not saying that you can't but the great US public wouldn't want to pay for it.

I will never underestimate the stupidity of public nor politicians - but recidivism is pretty costly and our current system is pretty costly.

I don't think it's the money; I think people just like to punish other people and don't think through the consequences. Sad.

With California's prison realignment, we'll have prisoners at our local jail for years - for their entire sentence. Our local jail was built to hold people no more than one year, and most are just in for a few weeks before trial or before getting transferred. There is one small recreation yard - all concrete; between two buildings, so no sun; and no facilities -no basketball hoop, no track, no nothing. With the number of mentally ill in our prisons, being held in a a very small jail with no outlet is NOT going to help them. And, of course, no funding and no will power to build a facility that will be better suited for long-term incarceration.
 
I will never underestimate the stupidity of public nor politicians - but recidivism is pretty costly and our current system is pretty costly.

I don't think it's the money; I think people just like to punish other people and don't think through the consequences. Sad.

With California's prison realignment, we'll have prisoners at our local jail for years - for their entire sentence. Our local jail was built to hold people no more than one year, and most are just in for a few weeks before trial or before getting transferred. There is one small recreation yard - all concrete; between two buildings, so no sun; and no facilities -no basketball hoop, no track, no nothing. With the number of mentally ill in our prisons, being held in a a very small jail with no outlet is NOT going to help them. And, of course, no funding and no will power to build a facility that will be better suited for long-term incarceration.

To set up a system like that in the US would cost a lot of money initially, I can't see it happening any time soon.
 
So, why are the prisoners there to begin with?

Which? read the article if you want to know about Norway's prisoners. I believe one of the prisoners was in for murder.

The point isn't why they are there - the question is - how do we treat them and how do we rehabilitate them so they don't end up there again?

Reading an article re "Orange is the New Black" on how when prisoners get released, how hard it is for them - people don't want to hire them; moving in with friends or families puts them right back in the environment which caused problems before; etc. Don't remember all the details and don't have the article link anymore, but we have a choice - help prisoners do better, or keep paying to keep them in jail.
 
just reading a New Yorker story about misuse of confiscation laws.

A young man was arrested because he sold pot to police three times. The amount he sold? $20

Surely we can deal with that other than locking people up at a large expense?
 
just reading a New Yorker story about misuse of confiscation laws.

A young man was arrested because he sold pot to police three times. The amount he sold? $20

Surely we can deal with that other than locking people up at a large expense?

Just curious, why did you ban he Dude and Topspin, as apart from being the same person he is already banned?
 
Rehabilitation is a joke. I do not want to see money wasted on pampering lowlifes with televisions, gyms, gaming consoles, escorts, massage therapists, manicurists, personal chefs, lubricants, and so forth.
 
Rehabilitation is a joke. I do not want to see money wasted on pampering lowlifes with televisions, gyms, gaming consoles, escorts, massage therapists, manicurists, personal chefs, lubricants, and so forth.

Do you think it is wasting money to give prisoners an education whilst inside?
 
Rehabilitation is a joke. I do not want to see money wasted on pampering lowlifes with televisions, gyms, gaming consoles, escorts, massage therapists, manicurists, personal chefs, lubricants, and so forth.

As it turns out, the data contradicts you. Rehab reduces recidivism. Apparently you would rather pay a lot more money to keep locking people up.

Of course, most of what you listed has nothing to do with rehab.

But TVs, gyms, classes on yoga, AA, etc are critical to keep peace and order in prisons; and then educational classes and classes on how to cope on the outside are essential to keep people from coming back in; and working/gaining skills in prison also helps.

Locking a bunch of people up in a building with no outlet - no TV, no work, no classes, no gym -is a recipe for riot.
 
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