the minimum wage: reality check

tsuke said:
sweden denmark norway and the other liberal model states dont have national minimum wage. They do it by industry. National minimum wage would be a disaster. Not every state is as economically advanced as Ny or Ca. A lot of the flyover states would not be able to afford a 15$ national minimum wage.
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Economically advanced?

Who are you trying to kid? They have higher Cost-of-Living, which does not equate to "economically advanced."
 
Mircea said:
If that doesn't motivate people to better themselves to find better paying jobs, then fuck them.
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And yet another right wing numbskull too cowardly to acknowledge that he CANNOT LOGICALLY OR FACTUALLY FAULT an OP that disproves a favorite right wing talking point. How fascist of you to want to maintain a system that financially wouldn't allow the fast food worker the time or resources to seek another job....because willfully ignorant cretins like yourself bitch and moan about people getting unemployment insurance! THINK, you idiot, THINK!
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the whole entire generation of whiny fucks who think they are entitled to some damned 'living' wage need to grow a pair of balls and bust their ass improving themselves like those of us in our 40s and 50s did. I was digging ditches in 100 degree temps for $6 an hour before I found a good tech job, so can you whiny entitled fucks.
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And once again you spin a tale to suit your silly assed supposition and conjecture. God, if you were worth the time, I'd could go over your posts these last 2 years to see how your personal history has morphed time and again (you other long time posters/readers know what I'm talking about).

Let me put it to your willfully ignorant ass in terms you'll understand: Remember when the Shrub had that town meeting on national TV, and a woman told him that she worked 3 jobs to take care of business? Now think, you simpleton....in this day and age at the current COLA, how many hours or different jobs do you think people are putting in to make ends meet at the current minimum wage?

And WAKE THE FUCK UP! This isn't the 40's or the 50's, because THOSE INDUSTRY JOBS DON'T EXIST ANYMORE....and the current "wars" didn't have a "boom time" after their completion, now did they?

Get your head out of your bigoted, self absorbed oather/threeper/fibbertarian/neocon/teabagger ass and deal with the real world, would ya?
 
callinectes said:
Why do people want to make a career out of a summer job I had in 1973 to save up for a POS motorcycle? If you're "ON YOUR FEET CONSTANTLY DOING REPETITIVE WORK" for the minimum wage at the age of 30+, you've failed. And that's not a bad thing, BTW. It frequently motivates people.
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WTF are you babbling about? So if I'm thirty and flipping burgers you want me to commit seppuku? And newsflash for ya, Beaver......people support themselves and their families on minimum wage....not just saving up for a motorcycle (Gee Wally, if I could just get a paper route, I could add that to my allowance and get that bike!).

Seems you can't fault the OP. You fail.
 
Taichiliberal said:
WTF are you babbling about? So if I'm thirty and flipping burgers you want me to commit seppuku? And newsflash for ya, Beaver......people support themselves and their families on minimum wage....not just saving up for a motorcycle (Gee Wally, if I could just get a paper route, I could add that to my allowance and get that bike!).

Seems you can't fault the OP. You fail.
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If you're thirty and flipping fast food burgers you're a loser....move up to short order cook and you'll make more than min. wage...
If min. wage is the best you can do...don't get married, don't have kids you can't afford and start thinking about what the fuck you can do to get a better job....LEARN SOMETHING USEFUL.....read more than comic books....
Can you handle a rake, know how to shovel dirt, to what you asked to do ?

Min. wage jobs are for kids, students, first time workers to learn a fuckin' work ethic and how to be a responsible employee....its a learning experience that you're getting
paid to learn...its incentive to better yourself so you can afford a wife and kids that will rely on YOU to care for them....

In fact, the op is bullshit....Employers pay employees for what they bring to the employer, its not their responsibility to make you a middle class french fry maker.
 
BLABO said:
If you're thirty and flipping fast food burgers you're a loser....move up to short order cook and you'll make more than min. wage...If min. wage is the best you can do...don't get married, don't have kids you can't afford and start thinking about what the fuck you can do to get a better job....LEARN SOMETHING USEFUL.....read more than comic books....Can you handle a rake, know how to shovel dirt, to what you asked to do ? Min. wage jobs are for kids, students, first time workers to learn a fuckin' work ethic and how to be a responsible employee....its a learning experience that you're getting paid to learn...its incentive to better yourself so you can afford a wife and kids that will rely on YOU to care for them....In fact, the op is bullshit....
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Not everyone wants a wife and kids, Blabo. Especially the women. :D

Poor Blabo.
 
NOVA said:
If you're thirty and flipping fast food burgers you're a loser....move up to short order cook and you'll make more than min. wage...
If min. wage is the best you can do...don't get married, don't have kids you can't afford and start thinking about what the fuck you can do to get a better job....LEARN SOMETHING USEFUL.....read more than comic books....
Can you handle a rake, know how to shovel dirt, to what you asked to do ?

Min. wage jobs are for kids, students, first time workers to learn a fuckin' work ethic and how to be a responsible employee....its a learning experience that you're getting
paid to learn...its incentive to better yourself so you can afford a wife and kids that will rely on YOU to care for them....

In fact, the op is bullshit....Employers pay employees for what they bring to the employer, its not their responsibility to make you a middle class french fry maker.
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Repeat for the Poor assholetroll
 
Taichiliberal said:
What has really ticked me off regarding this debate on raising the minimum wage to $15/hr is when some joker says, "why did I bother going to college when I could just flip burgers now?"

Well toodles, for starters if you're lucky enough to get a full time job right out of college based on your college degree, you'll be working 8 hours a week, most likely 9 am 5 pm with an hour off for lunch, some type of basic health insurance, and limited PAID vacation and sick days.

the average fast food worker gets shifts they have to choose from (if they're lucky to have that choice) during the work week which may NOT add up to 40 hours (the shifts are either during the day or night....some franchises have graveyard shifts from dusk to dawn), so they would have to take on extra shifts. Most do NOT get an hour off for lunch, much less a paid hour.... and prior to the enactment of the ACA (Obamacare), many saw NO paid sick or vacation days (still don't) and no health insurance of any kind.

Then there's the little thing of BEING ON YOUR FEET CONSTANTLY DOING REPETITIVE WORK.

So next time the anti $15/hr folk want to raise that old mantra, I suggest they think it through.

Oh, and just to cover all the bases: http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/pages/job-loss
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Incidentally, working 8 hours a week ain't a job....
 
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