The Lies are Just Too Obvious This Time Around

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monty1

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It should be a point of interest as to why Assad would want to use chemical weapons when he was clearly already winning the war. The United States was remaining fairly uninvolved and Assad (knowing Obama had set out a "red line" concerning the chemical weapons) would bring about America's involvement by giving Obama the choice between acting on his word or facing complete humiliation at home and abroad. Assad would know that America's involvement would seriously undermine his efforts to take back control of his country.

Another consideration would be that the areas that are held by the Islamists and the FSA are said to be separated geographically and it was an FSA district that was supposedly hit with these chemical weapons. The Islamists are thought to be the more dangerous and formidable group that the Syrian military/government are fighting, so it would be stupid for Assad to attack the weaker group who would be easy to defeat using conventional weapons.

More logically, the Islamists wanted to force America's hand by crossing that "red line" and thus bringing them in to fight against Assad. There have been plenty of reports of them having confrontations with the FSA; this way, two birds could be killed with one stone.
 
evince said:
the facts show he gassed his own people.

inferring things IS NOT FACTS
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Regardless of what you think I am, which doesn't matter anyway, there really are no solid facts that prove Assad's regime was behind this gassing. Your biggest problem is that everything points to something totally different. But lo and behold, due to the 'fact' that the Obama hate is making people stop and think a little more deeply on this issue, there is a good chance that the US congress won't support going to war. Could this be what we should call, the Impossible Presidency? Impossible because Obama hate is somehow twisting Republican arms behind the scenes and interrupting the US march to war again in the ME?

For decent people throughout the world who know that this is all just US aggression for oil, it really doesn't matter all that much why Obama the president is being fought against. The results are positive and that's all that matters.

It's sort of 'The Impossible Presidency'!
 
cawacko said:
Is there anyone on this board Desh, besides you of course, that isn't an idiot or a hack?
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There are very few simply because nearly all of them are motivated by politics and certainly not a concern for Syria's people.

People who support US wars that slaughter hundreds of thousands on proven lies are hardly able to claim that they are humanitarians at heart.

As for her, she's just been left stranded having to support the wrong side on this one.
 
monty1 said:
There are very few simply because nearly all of them are motivated by politics and certainly not a concern for Syria's people.

People who support US wars that slaughter hundreds of thousands on proven lies are hardly able to claim that they are humanitarians at heart.

As for her, she's just been left stranded having to support the wrong side on this one.
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So a liberal who didn't support the Iraq War (which is what I suppose you are referring to) and doesn't support going into Syria is motivated by politics?
 
cowacka


why have I been right about things all these years and you have backed the failures of Bush?
 
evince said:
he hates Obama just look at all his threads
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Desh, the guy's a big leftist. You instantly equate someone who doesn't agree with Obama on Syria as hating Obama.

Just for once instead of attacking someone whose political views you don't know and calling them names and a hack etc. right off the bat you actually talk to them and listen to them and hear their side?

1) It's ok to listen to people express their opinion
2) It's possible to disagree with someone and still respect their opinion
3) Screaming at people and calling them names wins no one over to your side. In fact it does the opposite.
 
cawacko said:
Desh, the guy's a big leftist. You instantly equate someone who doesn't agree with Obama on Syria as hating Obama.

Just for once instead of attacking someone whose political views you don't know and calling them names and a hack etc. right off the bat you actually talk to them and listen to them and hear their side?

1) It's ok to listen to people express their opinion
2) It's possible to disagree with someone and still respect their opinion
3) Screaming at people and calling them names wins no one over to your side. In fact it does the opposite.
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not when their opinions are based on nothing but lies
 
evince said:
the facts show he gassed his own people.

inferring things IS NOT FACTS
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I hear the fact is that Assad did the gassing because he saw a YouTube video that outraged him. It's been confirmed by the White House and State Department.
 
evince said:
hes a piece of stupid fuck no matter what game hes playing
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That's the best you can do isn't it. Nearly everything I've said on this forum has shown that I favour Obama because I think he just could be the best chance the world has of seeing America change and become a peaceful force for good.

Everything about Obama tells us that. His policy of breaking away from ME oil dependence, his foot dragging on going to war with Syria, his ending the Iraq war which has actually destroyed US gains in Iraq, his ending of the Afghanistan war, or at least his obvious plans to do that. Everything! And yet you need to rely on another lie about who I really am in order to support your position.

I'm coming to the conclusion that you're not capable of honesty. but that doesn't matter all that much because everybody else on this asshole of a forum has your number too now. Even the real Obama supporters have left your camp.

Enjoy yourself, you've earned your reputation.
 
evince said:
the facts show he gassed his own people.

inferring things IS NOT FACTS
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Only to a "high confidence" level. Not even criminals are convicted on that level of evidence, Desh. Especially when the person saying it has a dog in the fight, like his relevance after uttering, during an unscripted moment, a stupid "red line" threat.
 
monty1 said:
That's the best you can do isn't it. Nearly everything I've said on this forum has shown that I favour Obama because I think he just could be the best chance the world has of seeing America change and become a peaceful force for good.

Everything about Obama tells us that. His policy of breaking away from ME oil dependence, his foot dragging on going to war with Syria, his ending the Iraq war which has actually destroyed US gains in Iraq, his ending of the Afghanistan war, or at least his obvious plans to do that. Everything! And yet you need to rely on another lie about who I really am in order to support your position.

I'm coming to the conclusion that you're not capable of honesty. but that doesn't matter all that much because everybody else on this asshole of a forum has your number too now. Even the real Obama supporters have left your camp.

Enjoy yourself, you've earned your reputation.
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my reputation includes being right on many things here that people of all stripes called me a fool on.


Give JUST ONE sitable fact to lay your head on dude.

You have offered nothing but opinion.

There is declassified intell to prove Ass sad did this
 
Damocles said:
Only to a "high confidence" level. Not even criminals are convicted on that level of evidence, Desh. Especially when the person saying it has a dog in the fight, like his relevance after uttering, during an unscripted moment, a stupid "red line" threat.
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and Russians have no dog in the fight?

yet you trust them more than our own people?
 
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