The level of civility is deteriorating rapidly

apple0154 said:
Yes, the government should provide a place to live, food and some clothing for those in need by way of a guaranteed income. Unless the founders were seers like Nostradamus they had no idea what the world would be like today. In their time it was physically impossible to provide for everyone. One man digging and planting a garden could only feed a finite number of people. Today, a person with the aid of technology can produce enough to feed hundreds.

Look at all the homes that were built during the housing bubble. Now there are blocks of homes sitting empty because the perversion of capitalism dictates it's better to let a house rot than to give it to a poor family.

Where is the logic?
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Then why didn't you give that rental you sold, to a poor family?
 
apple0154 said:
Not at all. One solution would be to make a deal with the owners to rent the houses. There are many houses, in some places blocks of empty homes. There are places where the empty homes have been taken over by rodents and other wild life causing major destruction. Low cost rent until the property is sold and the tenant has to move within, say, 3 months. The homeowner would benefit. The government would benefit from not having to pay market value as they do under Section 8 and, of course, the poor person would benefit.

I think it's important to distinguish between today's circumstances and the depression of the 30s. There were shortages in the 30s, the "dust bowl" conditions affecting food and high unemployment resulting in a shortage of material goods being made. Today, there is no shortage. High unemployment does not result in a shortage of goods as technology has replaced the need for employees. People are doing without not because of a shortage of homes and material goods and food but because of money. The dynamics have changed which means we, as a society, have to change. It is no longer necessary for 95 people to work in order to support 100. (5% unemployment) Maybe 80 people can support 100 people (20% unemployment) and things will be fine.

If there's no need for those 20 people to be working chances are there won't be jobs for them and as we progress the "problem" will only increase. I use the word "problem" but it's not really a problem. The whole idea of progress is to lighten mankind's load. Because money is required and some folks are terrified of the term "redistribution of wealth" the only solution is for the government to devise a plan where the unemployed do jobs beneficial to society as a whole and tax the wealthy so as to be able to give money to the excess workers. The marketplace can not sustain an advanced society in the sense jobs are determined by what society wishes to purchase.

As society becomes more and more automated the only option is some type of sharing.



(Excerpt) Lancaster is the fifth-largest city in Los Angeles County, California, and the ninth-fastest growing city in the United States.

With family income above the national average (average family income in Lancaster is $61,298), and housing prices below the state average (the median home price in Lancaster is $302,000), 70% of residents of Lancaster own their own homes.

Today, the city has over 600 acres (2.4 km2) of developed or planned parkland, including playground and picnic areas as well as tournament-level sports facilities….

For residents and visitors seeking a cultured evening out, the Lancaster Performing Arts Center provides a varied array of fine arts from community theatre productions to classical music and various forms of dance. It also draws celebrity performers from across the country and around the world, including renowned singers, dancers and musicians of all genres as well as comedians and variety shows….Lancaster's location in Southern California's high desert also offers easy access to a variety of outdoor activities year around.

The city has spearheaded the development of the Lancaster University Center to provide local students with a chance to receive a first-rate education in engineering and technology….California State University, Long Beach beginning in fall 2011 will now offering BS degrees in engineering (electrical and mechanical) at the LUC, ensuring students in the Antelope Valley will receive a first-rate education without leaving the area. (End)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster,_California

Not sure what your point is. Sounds like quite a nice place to live.



I suppose it depends on the definition of "achievement". Is it success to have the most food when some citizens are going hungry? Is it prosperity to have the biggest houses when some people are homeless? Is it victory to have the latest medical technology while 45,000 people are dying every year due to their inability to afford basic care?
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Here is the article I read earlier this week on Lancaster.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/us/11housing.html?pagewanted=all


And as far as judging achievement I think we can do it two ways. We can judge it against perfection or we can judge it against all other countries. Has the U.S. achieved perferction? Not even close. Has the U.S. achieved more than all other countries? I would argue yes.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
Did Dixie push your buttons.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Aww. Upset because you're one check away from foodstamps? Or is your <leave kids out of it>? Well, fortunately for you , we'll always have an underclass (so you can feel "right at home"), and you'll always have your "low paying" job. Something is something.
 
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poet said:
Aww. Upset because you're one check away from foodstamps? Or is your <leave kids out of it>? Well, fortunately for you , we'll always have an underclass (so you can feel "right at home"), and you'll always have your "low paying" job. Something is something.
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1. I have approximetly 11 months of sick leave, vacation time, and comp time saved; so I'm 11 month's away from foodstamps.
2. My children are all grown; but that was a real Christian statement.
3. How you were able to define my existance as being part of an "underclass" is unknown.
4. Why do you feel that the pay for a Juvenile Corrections Officer is a "low paying job"?

I'm sorry that you have such bigotted and racist views; but hopefully someday you'll grow up and mature enough to recognize your errors.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
1. I have approximetly 11 months of sick leave, vacation time, and comp time saved; so I'm 11 month's away from foodstamps.
2. My children are all grown; but that was a real Christian statement.
3. How you were able to define my existance as being part of an "underclass" is unknown.
4. Why do you feel that the pay for a Juvenile Corrections Officer is a "low paying job"?

I'm sorry that you have such bigotted and racist views; but hopefully someday you'll grow up and mature enough to recognize your errors.
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Easy. If you had had the decency to "come correct" , there would be no need for me to go 'there".
Bitch, you're still working. I retired years ago, and am now free to pursue esoteric pursuits, like writing, music and producing, in my own home studio.
Don't dare try to play "the Christian card". You're ill-suited for it. One would have to have clean hands to do that. From day one, you attacked, I deflected. You're about as Christian as the devil. A white devil, to be sure.
Underclass? Bitch, what do you think a corrections officer is? I was a medical technologist, certified. I worked closely with world renown medical doctors...you work with inmates. Try to fathom the difference. Stupid bitch.
I don't give a fuck how much you make...all I know is that you gots to report in every week to see a paycheck. I don't. You started the racism and bigotry first. I finished.
 
poet said:
Easy. If you had had the decency to "come correct" , there would be no need for me to go 'there".
Bitch, you're still working. I retired years ago, and am now free to pursue esoteric pursuits, like writing, music and producing, in my own home studio.
Don't dare try to play "the Christian card". You're ill-suited for it. One would have to have clean hands to do that. From day one, you attacked, I deflected. You're about as Christian as the devil. A white devil, to be sure.
Underclass? Bitch, what do you think a corrections officer is? I was a medical technologist, certified. I worked closely with world renown medical doctors...you work with inmates. Try to fathom the difference. Stupid bitch.
I don't give a fuck how much you make...all I know is that you gots to report in every week to see a paycheck. I don't. You started the racism and bigotry first. I finished.
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1. I'm not sure what you want me to "come corect" on, seeing as how you're the one that keeps making assumptions.
2. Which as what to do with what, regarding your stupidity.
3. You're the one who claims to be a Christian and yet, you exhibit non-Christian behavior.
4. Now, I'm a white devil. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
5. It's obvious that you're basing your assumptions on your past incarcerations; seeing as how the majority of Juvenile Corrections Officers, that I know, signed on to try to make a difference in the lives of the youth that the Courts sent to us.
6. I don't know what "reports" you are referring to; but I have none to make.
7. I started nothing. You are plainly a racist and a bigot.
 
poet said:
Easy. If you had had the decency to "come correct" , there would be no need for me to go 'there".
Bitch, you're still working. I retired years ago, and am now free to pursue esoteric pursuits, like writing, music and producing, in my own home studio.
Don't dare try to play "the Christian card". You're ill-suited for it. One would have to have clean hands to do that. From day one, you attacked, I deflected. You're about as Christian as the devil. A white devil, to be sure.
Underclass? Bitch, what do you think a corrections officer is? I was a medical technologist, certified. I worked closely with world renown medical doctors...you work with inmates. Try to fathom the difference. Stupid bitch.
I don't give a fuck how much you make...all I know is that you gots to report in every week to see a paycheck. I don't. You started the racism and bigotry first. I finished.
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Free dumb is a juvenile corrections officer???!!! Fox and chickens or what?! An immature, unintelligent wannabee who a few years ago was making concrete pipes or something, he did tell me but who would remember?
The man is a rock bottom fool who thinks he has the ability to give smartarse put downs.
The two harridans who supported him have gone. I'm sure he would have followed if they had told him where to go, but they left him alone here and he appears on a post entitled: 'The level of civility is deteriorating rapidly.' !!! Freedumb .... civility ... Freedumb ... civility.... Just can't work, can it?
 
Lowaicue said:
Free dumb is a juvenile corrections officer???!!! Fox and chickens or what?! An immature, unintelligent wannabee who a few years ago was making concrete pipes or something, he did tell me but who would remember?
The man is a rock bottom fool who thinks he has the ability to give smartarse put downs.
The two harridans who supported him have gone. I'm sure he would have followed if they had told him where to go, but they left him alone here and he appears on a post entitled: 'The level of civility is deteriorating rapidly.' !!! Freedumb .... civility ... Freedumb ... civility.... Just can't work, can it?
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You're such a fucking dumbass.
There was never any kind of conversation regarding concrete pipes.
It's still apparent that the reason you despise America, is because your mum slept with one following WWI and the man who raised you never let you forget that your dad was an American Service man.
 
apple0154 said:
Because it wasn't sitting empty. The neighborhood was undergoing a massive development and it was a great investment for someone. I was easing my way into retirement.
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But you could have given it to them and helped them out, instead of making money for yourself.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But you could have given it to them and helped them out, instead of making money for yourself.
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Frequently I hear people ask why Liberals don't just give their own money. The problem is once the Liberals have given their money they would have none left to fight for the poor. Government policy has to be changed then everyone can give. :)
 
Lowaicue said:
Free dumb is a juvenile corrections officer???!!! Fox and chickens or what?! An immature, unintelligent wannabee who a few years ago was making concrete pipes or something, he did tell me but who would remember?
The man is a rock bottom fool who thinks he has the ability to give smartarse put downs.
The two harridans who supported him have gone. I'm sure he would have followed if they had told him where to go, but they left him alone here and he appears on a post entitled: 'The level of civility is deteriorating rapidly.' !!! Freedumb .... civility ... Freedumb ... civility.... Just can't work, can it?
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Freedumb cut down in his prime.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Another post filled with the same old "civility" we've come to know and love from ol Dix.

Insult after insult followed by ad hom after ad hom, all delivered while Dix continues his non-sop whining about the incivility of others...it's just too rich!

He's so very concerned about the civility of OTHERS, but his own ever-present lack of civility isn't to be discussed...oh my HEAVENS NO!!

You ARE a coward for not mentioning your own deplorable lack of civility and you are a coward for ignoring my comments while you went on yet another insult filled tantrum aimed at several others.

In short, and despite your numerous protestations to the contrary...you are indeed a coward.

A pretty big one at that.
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Again... nothing I have posted is a "whine" of any sort, or a "complaint" of any kind. I have merely observed the level of civility and tone of rhetoric is remarkably similar to another time in history. Does anyone else construe that as a "complaint" or "whining?" To me, it's just a simple statement of fact and truth, based on observation. How does that translate to "whining and complaining?"

And ya know what pinheads... You can bash and thrash all you like about tone and civility, ad homs, insults... I stopped listening to your whining and complaints about 8 yrs ago. To hell with every one of you, if you wanted civility, you should have tried to live by the standard you wish to impose on the right, instead of continuing this bitter Bush-Hate ideology.

Over and over again, we hear you fucktards calling for us to "tone down the rhetoric" ...we're called out on the carpet for every little insulting comment or snipe, as if we are in Catholic School and you are the Nun in Charge... no, we musn't call people names and be hostile... it isn't nice! But the left can just continue on with even more outrageous and over-the-top accusations and slander, and that's perfectly FINE! That's exactly how you want it, and think it should be, and that's exactly what every one of you fucktards means when you call for us to be civil. You want us to sit down and shut up, and let you do all the insulting... well guess what, the jig is up, we're not sitting down and we're not shutting up, and you can whine about it all you like, but you brought this on yourselves... Live with it! ...or DIE... I really don't care!
 
apple0154 said:
Frequently I hear people ask why Liberals don't just give their own money. The problem is once the Liberals have given their money they would have none left to fight for the poor. Government policy has to be changed then everyone can give. :)
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But I never said anything about you giving them money. This was about you practicing what you preach.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
First you have to show me who those 49% are who aren't paying any taxes.
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What do you mean? You want me to go around and introduce you to them personally or something? According to the current US tax code, approximately 49% of income earners, pay no income tax. Apple says we should ALL pay... so that means, those 49% would have to start paying, right???
 
Mott the Hoople said:
First you have to show me who those 49% are who aren't paying any taxes.
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As per usual Dixie has got his facts wrong, that's what happens when get your news from Fuxx News and rightwing talkshow hosts.

Even if the discussion is restricted to federal taxes (for which the statistics are better), a vast majority of households end up paying federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data suggests that, at most, about 10 percent of all households pay no net federal taxes. The number 10 is obviously a lot smaller than 47.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/business/economy/14leonhardt.html
 
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