The latest from Planet Hillary

Status
Not open for further replies.
O

Onceler

New member
How does any supporter of Hillary hear this and say, "You know, that sounds fair; I don't think what he's saying is unreasonable..."

ICKES: ZERO DELEGATES FOR OBAMA IN MI

On a conference call this morning, Clinton senior adviser Harold Ickes argued not only that Michigan’s and Florida’s delegations should receive full votes at the convention, but that the Michigan's 55 uncommitted delegates should be seated as such, not given to the Obama camp.

“The views of the voters in the Michigan primary and in the Florida primary [should] be respected and be reflected in terms of the allocation of delegates,” Ickes said. (For the numbers, if Clinton were awarded the delegates based on the results of the primary, she would get 73 delegates. Neither of the challenges to be taken up by the Rules and Bylaws Committee on May 31 call for splits adhere strictly to the results of the primaries.)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/22/1052820.aspx
 
I’m really starting to feel this is a disaster. She’s going to at the very least, stage a huge fight for the VP slot, and at worst, and I think this is very possible, she’s going to take this nomination to the floor. I just don’t think he can give her the VP because I think you will see the Clinton baggage being dug up again, and more recent bill business transgressions. Every president has their own problems, and I am sure Obama will be no different, dragging the Clinton baggage along with him would probably prove disastrous.

This should have been a great move forward for women, instead it is turning into the opposite, with some women playing into terrible stereotypes. To me Hillary is starting to appear like the deranged first wife who won’t let go, and some of her supporters are acting out as bitter and scorned, looking to score a revenge f*ck by voting for McCain. I’m pretty disheartened by the whole debacle.
 
Darla said:
I’m really starting to feel this is a disaster. She’s going to at the very least, stage a huge fight for the VP slot, and at worst, and I think this is very possible, she’s going to take this nomination to the floor. I just don’t think he can give her the VP because I think you will see the Clinton baggage being dug up again, and more recent bill business transgressions. Every president has their own problems, and I am sure Obama will be no different, dragging the Clinton baggage along with him would probably prove disastrous.

This should have been a great move forward for women, instead it is turning into the opposite, with some women playing into terrible stereotypes. To me Hillary is starting to appear like the deranged first wife who won’t let go, and some of her supporters are acting out as bitter and scorned, looking to score a revenge f*ck by voting for McCain. I’m pretty disheartened by the whole debacle.
Click to expand...

And on that note my sister ...

As race wanes, talk of Clinton as VP grows
Friends say her husband is one of those contemplating that outcome
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24785209/

Bill Clinton is now pushing for his wife as VP.
 
Reminds me of my wife who when has a issue with me will vet it out over the course of a couple fights. When I think its finally over and there is an understanding she brings it up again. Repeat last sentence.

Am I stereotyping?
 
It's a bummer, alright. She made a few speeches before the last primary that actually gave me hope; it sounded like she was winding down, and some of what she said bordered on concession speech material.

It's taken such a different tone in the past few days. I don't know if the margin of victory in KY emboldened her, or what, but her whole campaign is over-the-top these past few days; it's clear they're not going to give this up....
 
Chapdog said:
Reminds me of my wife who when has a issue with me will vet it out over the course of a couple fights. When I think its finally over and there is an understanding she brings it up again. Repeat last sentence.

Am I stereotyping?
Click to expand...

Chap, the last thing I want to get involved with is your marriage! The only thing I will say is, I feel certain that it is not all her fault. :)
 
Darla said:
Chap, the last thing I want to get involved with is your marriage! The only thing I will say is, I feel certain that it is not all her fault. :)
Click to expand...

HAHA.. of course not!


Do you think that women have a tendency to be more spiteful then men do? Just seems that woman hold on to things longer and grudges last longer.

Maybe im just a sexiest huh.
 
Chapdog said:
HAHA.. of course not!


Do you think that women have a tendency to be more spiteful then men do? Just seems that woman hold on to things longer and grudges last longer.

Maybe im just a sexiest huh.
Click to expand...

No I don’t think that at all actually. In fact, I’m often surprised all over again at just how spiteful men can be. Especially if they are the dumped one. You should read what Damo, Digital Dave, Epic, Grind etc have said about their exes on here.

But I do think that women are stereotyped in that manner, and like most people, I cringe when I meet the living embodiment of a negative stereotype. I feel like shaking them.
 
"In fact, I’m often surprised all over again at just how spiteful men can be. Especially if they are the dumped one"

Joementum!

(loved your Lieberman theory)
 
Thats true to an extant. As I have gotten older I have become aware that more men then I thought tend to be rather stalkish when they are jettisoned.

Not sure if its the woman sort of leaving the door open a crack and not shutting it completely or if its the guy who just cant move on.
 
Chapdog said:
Thats true to an extant. As I have gotten older I have become aware that more men then I thought tend to be rather stalkish when they are jettisoned.

Not sure if its the woman sort of leaving the door open a crack and not shutting it completely or if its the guy who just cant move on.
Click to expand...

Some of it is the difference between how the two genders communicate. Often, women don’t want to cause pain, and they believe that a man will “take the hint”. I have had that problem. One time it caused me a lot of trouble, until finally my bf called my ex up and told him straight out, and then I finally was able to get rid of him. He was torturing me. And I’d keep saying “No this time, I really think he got the hint”. And what my bf told me was that men don’t “get hints”. If you want to get rid of a guy, you tell him “f off”.

So what you might perceive as a woman leaving a door open, is actually her trying not to hurt the guy. She really thinks he’s getting the message. She would.

Often. I’m not saying that some women aren’t playing harmful games. Of course some are. But a lot of it is different styles of communication.
 
Darla said:
Some of it is the difference between how the two genders communicate. Often, women don’t want to cause pain, and they believe that a man will “take the hint”. I have had that problem. One time it caused me a lot of trouble, until finally my bf called my ex up and told him straight out, and then I finally was able to get rid of him. He was torturing me. And I’d keep saying “No this time, I really think he got the hint”. And what my bf told me was that men don’t “get hints”. If you want to get rid of a guy, you tell him “f off”.

So what you might perceive as a woman leaving a door open, is actually her trying not to hurt the guy. She really thinks he’s getting the message. She would.

Often. I’m not saying that some women aren’t playing harmful games. Of course some are. But a lot of it is different styles of communication.
Click to expand...

That makes sense and thanks for the education. I love figuring out the opposite gender.
 
Darla said:
Some of it is the difference between how the two genders communicate. Often, women don’t want to cause pain, and they believe that a man will “take the hint”. I have had that problem. One time it caused me a lot of trouble, until finally my bf called my ex up and told him straight out, and then I finally was able to get rid of him. He was torturing me. And I’d keep saying “No this time, I really think he got the hint”. And what my bf told me was that men don’t “get hints”. If you want to get rid of a guy, you tell him “f off”.

So what you might perceive as a woman leaving a door open, is actually her trying not to hurt the guy. She really thinks he’s getting the message. She would.

Often. I’m not saying that some women aren’t playing harmful games. Of course some are. But a lot of it is different styles of communication.
Click to expand...
This is the advice I have given most often to my female friends. Be direct because men do not "get hints".

This also works in other areas. When a man asks what you want for your birthday, if you really want something specific don't "hint" at it, tell the man. I know you want him to be psychic and just "know" what you want, but it isn't going to happen.

However, women also often follow this path. Look at my infamous ex who strung me along for so long, it was only when I did something that probably "hurt" her that I was finally able to shed the pain we caused each other.
 
Damocles said:
This is the advice I have given most often to my female friends. Be direct because men do not "get hints".

This also works in other areas. When a man asks what you want for your birthday, if you really want something specific don't "hint" at it, tell the man. I know you want him to be psychic and just "know" what you want, but it isn't going to happen.

However, women also often follow this path. Look at my infamous ex who strung me along for so long, it was only when I did something that probably "hurt" her that I was finally able to shed the pain we caused each other.
Click to expand...


wow, that sucks. Communication between the genders can be problematic. It's easy to tell someone to be direct. I fall into that trap myself sometimes, too. But, men have to be cognizant of how women communicate differently. That's a gross generalization of course. But, its so easy to delude yourself by dismissing forms of communication that are not direct and straightforward. Who among us is always direct and straightforward all the time anyway? I've been fortunate in maintaining amicable friendships with many exs. I haven't been in a situation where either I or the other person intentionally or maliciously tried to cause extreme distress or pain. Thank God for that. I don't think the solution is for women to tell men how to communicate, or alternatively for men to instruct women on how to communicate. I've read a book or two on how the genders use language and communication differently. But, I've still got a lot to learn. A lot!
 
Cypress said:
wow, that sucks. Communication between the genders can be problematic. It's easy to tell someone to be direct. I fall into that trap myself sometimes, too. But, men have to be cognizant of how women communicate differently. That's a gross generalization of course. But, its so easy to delude yourself by dismissing forms of communication that are not direct and straightforward. Who among us is always direct and straightforward all the time anyway? I've been fortunate in maintaining amicable friendships with many exs. I haven't been in a situation where either I or the other person intentionally or maliciously tried to cause extreme distress or pain. Thank God for that. I don't think the solution is for women to tell men how to communicate, or alternatively for men to instruct women on how to communicate. I've read a book or two on how the genders use language and communication differently. But, I've still got a lot to learn. A lot!
Click to expand...
Well, the advice is only for times where it is important. Such as when you are dumping somebody, when you are trying to say you don't know if you'd say "yes" if they ask you to marry, when the gift really does matter. These are times that we all need to be more direct. Don't hem and haw and suddenly find the proposal in lights at the baseball game, don't get mad when the gift wasn't exactly what you wanted...
 
Damocles said:
Well, the advice is only for times where it is important. Such as when you are dumping somebody, when you are trying to say you don't know if you'd say "yes" if they ask you to marry, when the gift really does matter. These are times that we all need to be more direct. Don't hem and haw and suddenly find the proposal in lights at the baseball game, don't get mad when the gift wasn't exactly what you wanted...
Click to expand...


Understood.

I'm certainly no relationship counselor or communication expert. I'd be the last to suggest I am.
 
Darla said:
No I don’t think that at all actually. In fact, I’m often surprised all over again at just how spiteful men can be. Especially if they are the dumped one. You should read what Damo, Digital Dave, Epic, Grind etc have said about their exes on here.

But I do think that women are stereotyped in that manner, and like most people, I cringe when I meet the living embodiment of a negative stereotype. I feel like shaking them.
Click to expand...

LOL, Darla, maybe you didn't see things the way I do, but I'm not spiteful. I don't hate my ex one bit. In fact I always have wished her the best even after I DUMPED HER! She was just dumb, and I couldn't carry her baggage anymore. She wouldn't listen to my advice, maybe because she was spiteful, but when she kept digging I gave up on her. That's not spite, it's being smart in knowing when to let go.
 
DigitalDave said:
LOL, Darla, maybe you didn't see things the way I do, but I'm not spiteful. I don't hate my ex one bit. In fact I always have wished her the best even after I DUMPED HER! She was just dumb, and I couldn't carry her baggage anymore. She wouldn't listen to my advice, maybe because she was spiteful, but when she kept digging I gave up on her. That's not spite, it's being smart in knowing when to let go.
Click to expand...
Let it go. She sometimes sees things we say in the worst possible light out of habit. It's okay... Breathe....

Plus I didn't hate my ex. It hurt me a lot to do what I did.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top