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TOP said:
She was not unhappy or scared or stressed.... Just get out of the car and we're not talking about this... She listened to the wrong person...
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If she had got out of the car she might have been able to talk her way out of it. She is no different than any other person fleeing arrest. Plus she put her dog in danger too.
 
Nomad said:
Why won't you answer the question you fucking pansy ass girlie man???

Do you side with Weaver, Koresh and McVeigh or do you denounce them????

Yes or no???
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Your straw man failed, you brainless and balless twit. Tim McVeigh was a traitorous pile of shit. I applauded when they put him down like the dog he was - and the dog you are - you're just like him, a fucking traitor.

You wage war against the United States.
 
volsrocks said:
Didn't say it was....but it shows she had the chance to decide if she wanted to stay put or gas it with a person one foot in front of her car

If you see someone standing in front you like that...are you going to put it in drive and gas it?
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TOP said:
And she knew he was there...she looked right at him...
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When he drew his gun from its holster, the car was barely moving. It was literally inching forward and beginning to turn to the right, as Ross was already moving to his right from his position in front of her left headlight, barely in front of her. One quick step to his right puts him out of the vehicle's path.

His first shot went through the bottom left corner of her windshield....

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....indicating that he was nowhere near being in the direct path of travel, but rather to the side of it.

We've also all seen the pictures of her tires pointed to the right as he opened fire on her from a position clear of the line of travel...

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...and it's clear that his other two shots were through her side window.

So, if he was in in path of the vehicle, why were all of his shits from the side of it???
 
TOP said:
"Copied from someone else's wall:
Best comment I have read on this situation.....

A 37-year-old woman. Three kids. Middle of a work week. The father of those children is dead. She is the parent left. The one job she has above every cause, every protest, every headline, is getting home to her kids.
And what is she doing instead?
Sheโ€™s 500 miles from home, in the street, in her car, blocking federal agents who are doing their job. Not alone! Her partner is right there filming her like this is some brave little documentary moment. Around them: whistles blaring, people yelling, pure chaos, manufactured chaos, so agents canโ€™t do their lawful duty.
Her window is down. She hears the orders. She understands the orders. She ignores the orders.
Then she puts the car in reverse.
Still doesnโ€™t comply.
Then she puts it in drive, NOT park! She moves forward into the agent.
Thatโ€™s not โ€œconfusion.โ€
Thatโ€™s not โ€œpanic.โ€
Thatโ€™s decision after decision after decision.
Now put yourself in the agentโ€™s shoes for half a second. A driver is already in an unlawful act! refusing commands in a hostile, chaotic scene, and now that driver uses a vehicle to move toward you. You get a split second. You donโ€™t get the luxury of โ€œMaybe sheโ€™s just stressed.โ€ You have to assume the worst, you have to think of protecting other people like the partner at ther window, because if you assume the best and youโ€™re wrong, you donโ€™t go home or someone else.
So the agent fires after she makes an intentional and aggressive move toward him, because he has no idea what her intentions are, and she just demonstrated sheโ€™s willing to escalate.
Nowโ€ฆ imagine her three kids. At school. Sitting there like any other day. Not knowing their mother is out playing street-hero games for criminals in the middle of a work week, with the two adults reaponsible for them!
She didnโ€™t think about them.
She didnโ€™t think, โ€œIf I get arrested, who picks my babies up?โ€
She didnโ€™t think, โ€œIf I get hurt, who raises them?โ€
She didnโ€™t think, โ€œIf I die, they have nobody.โ€
She thought about protecting criminals.
She thought about interfering with federal agents.
She thought about the camera.
She thought about the crowd.
She thought about the moment.
There is no amount of evidence, money, tears on TV, or news spin that can make this make sense.
As a mother: NOTHING about this makes sense.
At minimum, she knew her actions could get her arrested. At minimum. And she still chose it. She chose strangers. She chose chaos. She chose lawlessness.
Make it make sense, because the only thing I see is three kids who just got abandoned by the only parent they had left, not by accidentโ€ฆ but by a series of deliberate choices."
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That sums it up perfectly . I wish she had made better choices for her kids.
 
FastLane said:
And in your humble opinion what do you clearly see.
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Excessive force from someone whose life was never in danger.

I'd agree she should have just gotten out of the car, but clearly, she panicked. That didn't warrant the guy shooting her in the face. He actually created a more dangerous situation for the whole street by doing so.

He could have just taken her license plate #. And I really don't want to hear how it was self-defense - he was never in real danger. It would have been easier for him to just step back further than it was to hold his cell phone, take out his firearm, aim & shoot.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Your straw man failed, you brainless and balless twit. Tim McVeigh was a traitorous pile of shit. I applauded when they put him down like the dog he was - and the dog you are - you're just like him, a fucking traitor.

You wage war against the United States.
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I notice you fail to include Weaver and Koresh, the child rapist who "married" pre-teen girls whose mothers were under his control.

Those are the scum you refuse to denounce.

Makes you as bad as them, loser.
 
Nomad said:
When he drew his gun from its holster, the car was barely moving. It was literally inching forward and beginning to turn to the right, as Ross was already moving to his right from his position in front of her left headlight, barely in front of her. One quick step to his right puts him out of the vehicle's path.

His first shot went through the bottom left corner of her windshield....

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....indicating that he was nowhere near being in the direct path of travel, but rather to the side of it.

We've also all seen the pictures of her tires pointed to the right as he opened fire on her from a position clear of the line of travel...

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...and it's clear that his other two shots were through her side window.

So, if he was in in path of the vehicle, why were all of his shits from the side of it???
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She was moving...she put the car in gear and accelerated... That car became a weapon....
 
BartenderElite said:
Excessive force from someone whose life was never in danger.

I'd agree she should have just gotten out of the car, but clearly, she panicked. That didn't warrant the guy shooting her in the face. He actually created a more dangerous situation for the whole street by doing so.

He could have just taken her license plate #. And I really don't want to hear how it was self-defense - he was never in real danger. It would have been easier for him to just step back further than it was to hold his cell phone, take out his firearm, aim & shoot.
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She was happy...not nervous..minutes before... Than her wife told her to drive baby drive... And that car became a weapon...Everyone did see what happened...
 
BartenderElite said:
Excessive force from someone whose life was never in danger.

I'd agree she should have just gotten out of the car, but clearly, she panicked. That didn't warrant the guy shooting her in the face. He actually created a more dangerous situation for the whole street by doing so.

He could have just taken her license plate #. And I really don't want to hear how it was self-defense - he was never in real danger. It would have been easier for him to just step back further than it was to hold his cell phone, take out his firearm, aim & shoot.
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What was his authority to demand she leave her vehicle?

Weโ€™ve seen how people are abused by ICES once they leave their vehicles. US citizens are under no obligation to follow ICES orders when they arenโ€™t breaking the law.
 
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