We're not talking about the universe, you dimwit. We were talking all this time about evolution, which you said was akin to randomness. It isn't. The engine of evolution isn't random at all. And you know something? It doesnt have a reason either. It also doesn't have a consciousness so it doesn't have an aim. It does have a PATTERN dictating how it works, which makes it non-random. It's called natural selection. Natural selection is non-random and it's how evolution works.
So you've spent all this time twisting and lying, and yet you are now trying to say that natural selection IS non-random, it's just designed!!! It's not, but whatever. You were still wrong when you originally made up that bullshit about people claiming evolution was a random phenomenon.
Do you try to be wrong every time you post something just to see how well you can try to run away from it?
Well, again, if it's not random, what is it? Has to be with reason, aim, and/or pattern. You want to dismiss "reason" and "aim" but you've given no factual basis for your dismissal, other than your opinion and faith there is no god. Then you want to argue that pattern doesn't necessitate reason, purpose, and design. Again, you have offered no proof of this, it is an assertion you keep making without validation.
I think what you, Mott, Assclown, and other "atheist-scientists" need to do, is try to divorce yourself from the idea of "God or No God" and use your noodle. Stop automatically assuming that an argument for intelligent design is an argument for the God of Abraham, or any other human-conceived deity, and realize the argument itself has logical merit in principle. Stop making conclusive statements about the non-existence of God, and origin of the universe, which you simply can't prove or support. Perhaps you would find, as I have, that we don't know anything for certain, and all we really have is speculation on BOTH sides.
I have maintained a consistent position through this entire thread, I have not claimed to know the answer of why the universe came to be, or whether a source of divine intelligence is ultimately responsible, I merely stated that I didn't know for certain, and you don't either. To continue ranting out of ignorance, doesn't help your argument any at all. Turning this debate about evolution and origin into a semantics argument over the meaning of "OR" and "AND" is evidence you can't refute my point.
Here is what we know for a fact...
1. Something happened to create the universe, and something certainly had to cause it.
2. Nothing about the creation of the universe or emergence of life as we know it, is random.
3. When something is not random, it denotes pattern, reason, or aim, possibly all three.
4. From what we have observed, genus do not 'evolve' into different genus.
5. Mankind has a profound and distinct unique connection with spirituality.
Here is what we currently DON'T know conclusively...
1. Why the universe was created and by what.
2. Why a million circumstances happened to fall into place on Earth to conduce life.
3. Where humans came from.
4. If there was an intelligent designer responsible for origin.
5. What the reason for existence is.
When you attempt to discount what we don't know, and explain it away with a non-answer, you have completely abandon the scientific method and resorted to a faith-based belief system. Religious people do this as well, and simply attribute these unknown variables to God. Science demands we continue to ask the questions, which I have been doing here, but you don't want to examine the questions, you want to make a conclusion and move on, because your faith has overcome your sense of reason.
