According to pro-life websites 7.5 million "babies" are aborted before implantation or before pregnancy is noted. Only 1.5 million after. Of those 1.5 million most are aborted well before the developing life is conscious. Of those that are not, most are likely aborted due to medical threats to the mother. Isn't it about time that you admit these facts?
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According to pro-life websites 7.5 million "babies" are aborted before implantation or before pregnancy is noted. Only 1.5 million after. Of those 1.5 million most are aborted well before the developing life is conscious. Of those that are not, most are likely aborted due to medical threats to the mother. Isn't it about time that you admit these facts?
You have defeated nothing, retard. You are dishonestly attempting to support your desire to kill some "babies" (as you define baby) and are now reduced to attributing false quotes to me in order to do that.
PostmodernProphet
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uh, no....because the CDC indicates that we have something under 1million abortions a year in the US at present, so I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.....how can 7.5 million abortions occur before a pregnancy occurs?.......how can one abortion occur before a pregnancy occurs?......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
lol.....if the shoe fits, kick it up your ass......
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
I just don't think one has to be in denial to be pro choice, like you are.
It's a morally grey area. But your foolish consistency doesn't allow for complexity; it's the hobgoblin of your small mind.
You don't. Reasons you can't or at least should not, are another argument
No, there is not. Most of the ones used, not the surplus, will die. There is no reliable way to ensure the surplus will be protected either. If these were treated as life's the cost would be obscene and the storage facilities would likely become too vast. But, ignore the surplus and you still support killing "babies."
That you don't agree. You are okay with the killing, in this case, though you tell yourself lies about it and attempt to dishonestly avoid the inconvenient facts.
It can not. Out of ten fertilized eggs placed into the mother nine will die. That's in the best case scenario and with significant rounding up.
You support killing babies as you define "baby." You are just too stupid to have considered it fully.
The failure is all yours, "baby" killer.
I have not denied anything and you fail to point out any example. To circumvent your ignorant response which will have willfully ignored my many repetitions of this....
The fertilized egg is alive according to consensus biological definitions. It is of human form. Just like the brain dead. It is not human in the full sense of the word as we apply it to mean a being with rights, including a right to life. Just like the brain dead.
It's a morally grey area. But your foolish consistency doesn't allow for complexity; it's the hobgoblin of your small mind.
I have stated repeatedly how we can handle the gray areas. The gray area is not, what class of parents should be allowed to kill "babies" or whether they created the baby with good intention and according to God's will or through casual sex. There is no right to kill a child because the parents seem to have their heart in the right place and not because you don't like how the other practiced her sex life.
The gray area is in when does the developing life become imbued with rights including the right to life and if there are conflicts between that life and the mother's how do we handle it.
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PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I am puzzled why you say I don't, when I already have, several times....
sure there is.....the most obvious is to create only one fertilized egg at a time......another, is to permit the adoption of any surplus fertilized eggs.....
am I to be concerned about 'obscene costs' in opposition to 'obscene killings'?........
so your point is, that being opposed to the killing I am okay with the killing.......your logic fails both of us, I am afraid.....
no, the best case scenario would be a 100% success rate....
but I do not support killing babies as I define "baby".....I'm sorry your argument has failed
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Your "imbued with rights distinction" is fraudulent and just away of substuting the real issue with a made up one. It's a strawman.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Why do you want to kill babies? Dick?
How does that help? It does not increase the probability of survival or implantation, idiot. It would only increase the costs and pain suffered by the hopeful mother.
You are to be concerned with the realities of your position, moron. There is no way to reliably store the surplus. The best designed system are hardly perfect. Many will die in the best of storage without any errors and the cost would be prohibitive.
Supposedly, these are babies, we are talking about. You can't just put a baby into cold storage (Bill Maher joke, actually), knowing that it will kill many and forget about it. That's obscene.
100% success is not an option, dumb fuck. It is not even approachable. Over 90% of the ones USED die IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO AVAILABLE and you ignore that as if it were unimportant. Meanwhile, you demand that we focus all attention on the rare cases of medically unnecessary pba's to make moral judgments about ALL abortions. Your position is absurd and illogical.
You are okay with killing "babies" as you define baby.
The right to life is the only issue. What the fuck do you think the issue is then?
If it is not the right to life, then you have other problems in your logic. One has been pointed out numerous times to you, e.g., the brain dead. But, your claim is even more weak. Why is it okay to kill a murderer?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Dick the baby killer, compares fetuses to murderers.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
maybe it's not okay to kill a murderer. Im not sure.
And the brain dead. Should we keep them going forever? I got it, let's freeze them and store them with pmp's popsicle "babies."
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Kill all the babies that don't meet your standards Dick. You know you want to. Dick.
Dumb fuck sm completely ignores the fact that I am pointing out that a murderer has lost the right to life. He/she is obviously biologically alive and human.
The point is that the right to life is the issue. When does it begin, end or is lost. It does not begin at fertilization, not even pmp believes that, though he may dishonestly pretend that he does.
And no all abortions are not done at fertilization. So fucking what? If the right does not begin at fertilization, then when. That's the point.
Now find some more crevices to crawl your spineless ass into so you may ignore reality.
Nope, that's you. I say, protect all the babies, don't stick any of them into a freezer but they are not babies until they have a functioning brain which is the source of rights. What is done with them before that is an issue for the mother or parents.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Now you're a douche as well as a dick. "Right to Life" is simply a catch phrase, and doesn't define a position precisely. Only a douche would insist it to mean other than right to innocent human life. Like you, Dick.
What's the issue asshat. If you think we are still talking about a workable definition of life for biological purposes rather than legal, please... get a clue.