HA! HA! Was that supposed to be funny?
No, my intellectually stunted friend. It means the only way things are going to change is if they are addressed. The longer sex is treated as some forbidden subject unwanted pregnancies are going to happen.
Not all that complicated to understand, is it?
I had to ask.![]()
I don't think it makes you bad. But to claim all life is sacred, but then find your own limit on the sacredness, but then condemn others for supporting a broader interpretation of what fetuses are beyond the reach of the government and only between a woman, god and her doctor is hypocritical. And Icedancer pretending that abortions would drop to 4.5% if we allowed for all the exceptions is bullshit. During the communist rule of Romania they had as many abortions as we did and only had 30 million people. They were all illegal.
Now you seem to be suggesting that the main reason women get abortions, is because they are uninformed!!![]()
My goodness you have difficulty with comprehension.
Did you not notice I mentioned smoking and drinking and driving? People were aware of the dangers of smoking and the dangers of drinking and driving long before those TV ADS ran. The ADS brought the issues front and center. It resulted in a culture change, for lack of a better term.
That approach is needed regarding sex. Constant reminders to pick up condoms on the next shopping trip and, most important, to use them.
We can change things. We did regarding smoking and drinking and driving. Today, it is responsible to have a designated driver. Such an idea would have been laughed at years ago. Folks used to have a drink for the road!
Now do you understand?
actually, having had family members who experienced miscarriage I object to your claim that I don't care about children who die spontaneously......I care about them.....I do not care about you......
??....how strange.....why would you liken an in vitro fertilization to throwing a baby against a uterine wall......I understand that you know next to nothing about reproductive biology, but if you have children of your own you ought to know more than that.....do you somehow feel there is something wrong about placing a fertilized egg up for adoption?....
Of course an acorn will not grow into an oak tree if "left alone" either....it must have use of the earth, water, light, etc....
and a rock thrown into the air will not fall back to earth either it "left alone"...it must have gravity act on it and overcome its inertia, etc.....
Does this demonstrate how stupid your analogy is RSpeckerhead ?![]()
Bam. Stringfield = covered in Damo goo!
I wish you would make up your mind.....first your upset because you can't kill unborn children of rape victims.....then your upset because you CAN kill unborn children of rape victims...
????.......I should think the difference is obvious......the woman who was raped did not participate in the choice that resulted in the child......if you don't see the difference, I guess that I am the one who's prochoice and you aren't.......because you want the same results for those who chose and those who didn't.....
So kill the fetus because the woman did not choose to become pregnant? Like I said, you are pro-choice and so am I. You say fetuses conceived out of rape are less than fetuses conceived in a bedroom. I say that fetuses at less than 13 weeks are less than fetuses older than 24 weeks. I think that 24 weeks should be the cutoff, and life and health of the mother is a rarer than anyone thinks. There are damn few things that can be wrong with a mother after 24 weeks that medicine cannot take care of without aborting the child. I am glad that you have finally come to see it my way, some fetuses are less than others. Some life is not as sacred as others. If you were truely and consistently pro-life, you like Angel and Palin would not support abortion even in cases of rape and incest.
yes.....I am willing to let you kill the child because the woman was raped......I'm not saying the fetus is less a fetus.......I'm saying I am a heartless bastard who is willing to let you kill simply because it will save me all the rest of the children........I realize that makes me a bad person.....I'm willing to accept that.......but tell me something......how does that make me worse than you, who wants to kill the rest of them too?.......
you're right....I have agreed to be a hypocrite to save the lives of 47 million children you want to kill.....so, I'm a hypocrite, you're a fucking killer....I suck less than you do........ by the way, you have misstated what Ice posted.....he posted, correctly, the percentage of abortions involve rape.....
I am not talking about anything people usually consider miscarriages, idiot. A high percentage of fertilized eggs never implant.
Because, that is what happens. They fertilize the egg outside the body creating, in your absurd world, a baby. Then they put it into the woman's body and hope that implants. Many do not. They die.
I am not talking about eggs that are left over.
But, what if she dressed like a filthy whore? Case closed.
Quit being such dishonest coward, claiming it is virtue and blaming the ugly realities that your policy would create on others. It's unbelievable how much of a spineless worm you are.
You also ignore apple's point that many forced to term will live a short and miserable life and then die.
how stupid are you?....it is NOT necessary to kill the unused embryos....to do so is equally immoral as having an abortion.....You have played dumb on in vitro when it creates life that it knows will very likely be killed in the process.
Next up, what about women with a partial hysterectomy. Are they allowed to have sex or should the death trap be closed?
Give it a rest. Your lack of backbone is not virtue. You simply ignore the problems.
You also ignore apple's point that many forced to term will live a short and miserable life and then die.
You have played dumb on in vitro when it creates life that it knows will very likely be killed in the process. Here are the live birth success rates per ivf cycle.
* 30 to 35% for women under age 35
* 25% for women ages 35 to 37
* 15 to 20% for women ages 38 to 40
* 6 to 10% for women ages over 40
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/infertility/ivf.html
Let's take 35% hell let's make it 40% so the math is easier. That's not 40% of fertilized eggs that's 40% success per cycle. The same site recommends no more than 4 embryo's per cycle. So we have 10 cycles at 4 embryos per cycle resulting in 4 babies. 10 embryos to the baby. Or 9 deaths for every birth.
Should these killing factories be legal? Why don't you go shoot a fertility doctor? No, let me guess, you will let it go to save the others.
Next up, what about women with a partial hysterectomy. Are they allowed to have sex or should the death trap be closed?