The Kids are Doing Alright: The Culture War is Over

RStringfield said:
So, you think in vitro fertilization should be illegal? You have my respect for your act of adopting.

How about rape? Can the victim abort?
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you have no respect to grant.......I am willing to accept abortion in the case of rape in exchange for the lives of the other 94%.......in vitrio fertilization could be utilized in the event the couple puts the other fertilized eggs up for in vitrio adoption......
 
Socrtease said:
Genetically from conception it is a human. On a genetic level. However, there is a huge difference between these:
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let's see....are you going to pretend that a significant portion of abortions are due to genetic disease?........should have known I couldn't expect an honest debate from the likes of you........

tell me Suckertease, what about the healthy kids......got any pictures of them?......perhaps pictures of their brains being sucked out of their skulls because mommy doesn't want to be bothered......chopped into tiny pieces by doctors who get rich killing 50 kids a day and calling themselves Planned Parenthood?......promoting the freedom of choosing to give them money to kill an unborn baby?.......
 
RStringfield said:
They will be gone soon enough. They have only one issue left and the tide on it has started to turn. It was their best weapon and soon enough it will be kryptonite, like all the rest.
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lol.....one issue left......don't be silly......the liberals will be after something else soon enough.......we'll be on defense for the rest of our lives and yours......
 
RStringfield said:
ditzyliberal, learn how to use the quotes. Not cleaning up your mess anymore.

There is absolutely no doubt that within the population of people now married with children, some will divorce. To argue otherwise is simply idiotic.

The same is true concerning lying on any survey data. Census data has always been highly suspect. I have read censuses doing genealogical research. People lie or misstate all forms of data. No doubt about that.

67% or 63% do you really believe that makes much difference. It does nothing for your point. Here you go 63%...

http://www.mndaily.com/2009/07/07/study-children-thrive-calm-two-parent-households

You are arguing statistical certainties and 4% which other studies show.

Who has tried to hide the fact that two women can't have children through homosexual sex? No-fucking-body. My point is and always has been, who fucking cares? You have not answered.

There are plenty of couples that cannot conceive without outside help, asshole. You are telling them they are not on par with a couple that can? Again, fuck you and your normalcy.

You don't understand simple language. I said homosexuals ARE procreating. That is a fact. Their kids need a stable home as much as anybody.

If you are not arguing that homosexuals cannot marry, then I don't care about your other stupid points.
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But the institution still includes members of each reproductive gender, even if they are malfuntioning as individuals. And they aren't ON PAR physically. That's just the truth. Their marriages should not be illegal, because marriage allows for reproductive failure, but with gays there is zero chance at conception, and they will require outside intervention 100%. I understand you want the state to pay for invitro babies for gays, so you can substitute in your alien dna, according to your master's plan, but we here in normal land will not allow it.
 
Civil unions equal to marriage are sufficient validation for the gay couples. It is not necessary to destroy words to convey equal rigths. Scientifically there is a unique reproductive self reliance forged betwixt a man woman pair. It merits a special word.

Thus it is decreed.

We shall all got over it now. These aren't the droids you're looking for.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Civil unions equal to marriage are sufficient validation for the gay couples. It is not necessary to destroy words to convey equal rigths. Scientifically there is a unique reproductive self reliance forged betwixt a man woman pair. It merits a special word.

Thus it is decreed.

We shall all got over it now. These aren't the droids you're looking for.
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Its not equality they seek but destruction of the institution itself. Queers are so miffed at normal couples and the comparison to their own twisted lives. How would you like it if you could never make love to a woman?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Originally Posted by RStringfield
So, you think in vitro fertilization should be illegal? You have my respect for your act of adopting.

How about rape? Can the victim abort?
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you have no respect to grant.......I am willing to accept abortion in the case of rape in exchange for the lives of the other 94%.......in vitrio fertilization could be utilized in the event the couple puts the other fertilized eggs up for in vitrio adoption......
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Look who is talking about respect. :rofl:

"If we have to trade a few lives (6%), no problem."

The same BS that goes along with accepting killing supposed human beings so a defective one will not sustain damage.

Abort, kill an innocent human being (your absurd assertion) depending on how it was created. Kill an innocent human being (your absurd assertion) because mommy's vision may become impaired due to diabetes.

Sanctity of life, my ass. It's nothing more than perverts wanting to interfere in the sex lives of others.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
let's see....are you going to pretend that a significant portion of abortions are due to genetic disease?........should have known I couldn't expect an honest debate from the likes of you........

tell me Suckertease, what about the healthy kids......got any pictures of them?......perhaps pictures of their brains being sucked out of their skulls because mommy doesn't want to be bothered......chopped into tiny pieces by doctors who get rich killing 50 kids a day and calling themselves Planned Parenthood?......promoting the freedom of choosing to give them money to kill an unborn baby?.......
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And you accuse me of being dishonest? Brians sucked out of their heads. Did you fucking skip the part where only 1.5% of ALL abortions are performed after 24 weeks. You gave me shit about the 4% of abortions from rape and incest and that number is higher than your over emotional "brains sucked out their heads" comment. Most abortions are done by suction, prior to the 13th week, before there are organs. There is no chopping them into tiny pieces. Again a complete overly emotional attempt to make it seem like all abortions cause the fetus pain, which at 13 weeks it does not. You wanna push back the date at which women cannot have an abortion except for life of the mother, I am fine with that. But know this. Exceptions for rape, and incest, which even MOST prolifers support are philosophically inconsistent with all babies are innocent. I support those exceptions, but then I am pro-choice. I think it would be cruel to require a woman to carry to term the child of her rapist. To have to give birth to the reminder that she was brutalized, terrified, and violated, is something I would not force any woman to do. But IF you are prolife, then that exception would be unacceptable because a rapist's child is no different from a husband's child. So get with the program, become consistent, and demand, just like Ms. Angle that conception from rape and incest be protected, as it is all part of god's great plan. Love that, god planned on a woman getting raped.
 
Socrtease said:
And you accuse me of being dishonest? Brians sucked out of their heads. Did you fucking skip the part where only 1.5% of ALL abortions are performed after 24 weeks. You gave me shit about the 4% of abortions from rape and incest and that number is higher than your over emotional "brains sucked out their heads" comment. Most abortions are done by suction, prior to the 13th week, before there are organs. There is no chopping them into tiny pieces. Again a complete overly emotional attempt to make it seem like all abortions cause the fetus pain, which at 13 weeks it does not. You wanna push back the date at which women cannot have an abortion except for life of the mother, I am fine with that. But know this. Exceptions for rape, and incest, which even MOST prolifers support are philosophically inconsistent with all babies are innocent. I support those exceptions, but then I am pro-choice. I think it would be cruel to require a woman to carry to term the child of her rapist. To have to give birth to the reminder that she was brutalized, terrified, and violated, is something I would not force any woman to do. But IF you are prolife, then that exception would be unacceptable because a rapist's child is no different from a husband's child. So get with the program, become consistent, and demand, just like Ms. Angle that conception from rape and incest be protected, as it is all part of god's great plan. Love that, god planned on a woman getting raped.
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A foolish consistency is the hobgloblin of a small mind. Can't you be pro-choice without having to dehumanize and deny the existence of human life?

Can't we just accept it's morally grey and loss of life is involved. Maybe you can, maybe i can, but stringfield and apple must deny the life exists, because their agenda is social engineering, and providing entry points for the state to genetically manipulate the population.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Originally Posted by Socrtease
Genetically from conception it is a human. On a genetic level. However, there is a huge difference between these:
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let's see....are you going to pretend that a significant portion of abortions are due to genetic disease?........should have known I couldn't expect an honest debate from the likes of you........
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It doesn't matter if .000000001% of abortions are due to genetic disease if the anti-abortionists truly believed their own argument that ALL are human beings.

What, exactly, is the anti-abortionist stand? All are humans but some are a little less human? Most need protection but, hey, a few can be killed because, well, because they aren't quite human enough?

Then we have some that are "perfectly" human but, well, we can't accept the way they were created. Daddy raped mom so baby has to die but that's OK? Is that the anti-abortionist stand?

Where DO anti-abortionists stand beside lurking outside someone's bedroom window?
 
AssHatZombie said:
A foolish consistency is the hobgloblin of a small mind. Can't you be pro-choice without having to dehumanize and deny the existence of human life?

Can't we just accept it's morally grey and loss of life is involved. Maybe you can, maybe i can, but stringfield and apple must deny the life exists, because their agenda is social engineering, and providing entry points for the state to genetically manipulate the population.
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No, I can't accept it's a morally gray area. Either ALL are human beings or none are. I do not condone bartering with the lives of human beings or, worse yet, judging just how human a human being is.

As Socrtease has plainly shown the womb is the place where human beings are developed/built/constructed. Sometimes developments do not take place. If/when the development is completed we have a birth.

To assign "person-hood" or the term "human being" to something that is no more a human being than a ash tray is absurd. In any case, if zygotes and fetuses are human beings then every zygote/fetus must be afforded the same protection as every other human being and that means enforcing women to continue a pregnancy, to continue supporting the growth and maturity of said zygotes/fetuses.

It means demanding bringing a child into the world knowing it will endure extreme suffering until it's little body exhausts itself and dies. It means demanding women bear a child knowing she despises the child due to how it was conceived (rape). It means the child will be denied the basic nurturing/affection that science has proven all children require in order to develop properly.

What the hell is good or decent or Christian or logical or compassionate or moral about any of that? Nothing! Absolutely nothing!
 
apple0154 said:
No, I can't accept it's a morally gray area. Either ALL are human beings or none are.!
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Wrong. They all are human beings, whether we decide to kill them or not.

You are sick, you must dehumanize all babies because life contains moraly grey areas. Your reaction is unreasonable, and it makes you become a mass murderer.
 
apple0154 said:
Look who is talking about respect. :rofl:

"If we have to trade a few lives (6%), no problem."

The same BS that goes along with accepting killing supposed human beings so a defective one will not sustain damage.

Abort, kill an innocent human being (your absurd assertion) depending on how it was created. Kill an innocent human being (your absurd assertion) because mommy's vision may become impaired due to diabetes.

Sanctity of life, my ass. It's nothing more than perverts wanting to interfere in the sex lives of others.
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???.....you're claiming higher ground on the issue of sanctity of life?.....astounding.....I would think I have at least a 94% edge on you with respect to that issue.....
 
AssHatZombie said:
Wrong. They all are human beings, whether we decide to kill them or not.

You are sick, you must dehumanize all babies because life contains moraly grey areas. Your reaction is unreasonable, and it makes you become a mass murderer.
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There is nothing morally gray about a human being. Do you know anything about history?

We've been down that road before. The result was civil wars and even a world war.

Have you learned nothing?
 
RStringfield said:
Eugenics. Yeah, giving women equal rights is equivalent to eugenics. I don't know how you made that leap retard.

It was oppressive. I said nothing about rape. The truth is, many women supported the lifestyle but they did not have full legal rights either. That's a fact. It's not up for argument, retard.
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Talk about: "Must have hit a nerve". :lmao:
 
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