The Kids are Doing Alright: The Culture War is Over

[Timshel]

...or it soon will be.

It's time for the social conservatives to face the facts of the world as it now exists. The ideal of the two parent family unit is dead and it is not going to return. "Leave it to Beaver" was nothing but a myth to begin with.

Much of the change in the social dynamics was due to equal rights for women. Basically, they no longer have to put up with our shit and can leave us at anytime. Now, don't get it twisted, I am not sorry about it. It was necessary. They should have never been treated as they once were.

The social upheaval in the wake of women's liberation has passed. The family unit has moved on and I am often struck by the fact that many of the children that surround me are better behaved than I was. I was hell on wheels and many of my peers were worse. Nowadays it is hard to get the kids off the xbox long enough for them to get into much trouble. Even my nephew, who is a bit rough around the edges and was raised mostly by a single mother of 6 boys, is probably a little better behaved than I was.

This is not just anecdotal as crime rates have dropped, tremendously, since the 80s-90s and continue to in rough economic times. Why is that? In my opinion, it is largely due to the fact that this generation of parents is better suited for the new realities, having been raised under them. There is also the fact that we are better at detecting crimes, which probably plays a part. Also, we have at least somewhat relaxed the drug war. But I think the last two are lesser factors.

So here are some facts you need to accept...

Abortion is not going to be outlawed. Shut up already.

The major fighting in the drug war is approaching it's sunset. It was stupid to begin with and it did not stop drug use. Local and state governments across the country are finding they no longer have the money to fight it.

Homosexuals will be allowed to marry. That mythical family unit should not be a road block any longer. It never existed and the realities were nowhere near ideal. It certainly does not exist now, nor will it appear if we just keep the homosexuals down.

You are not going to reclaim the public spheres, where you once brainwashed the children with myths and false fears. You are certainly free to practice your faith and/or strive for your ideal family. But, to hell with your religion forced down our throats by the force of law.

The social conservatives need to sit down and shut up. We are not going back through it. It's over, you lost, move on and don't worry so much. It's gonna be alright.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

The rise of the Libertarian. What a glorious dawn that awaits us.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

It's time for the social conservatives to face the facts of the world as it now exists. The ideal of the two parent family unit is dead and it is not going to return. "Leave it to Beaver" was nothing but a myth to begin with.

maybe for some, but for others such a life was in fact a reality....to ignore that, only highlights your ignorance

Much of the change in the social dynamics was due to equal rights for women. Basically, they no longer have to put up with our shit and can leave us at anytime. Now, don't get it twisted, I am not sorry about it. It was necessary. They should have never been treated as they once were.

quite a naive statement, shows you nothing about the true relationships between men and women, only what your politik talking points tell you

The social upheaval in the wake of women's liberation has passed. The family unit has moved on and I am often struck by the fact that many of the children that surround me are better behaved than I was. I was hell on wheels and many of my peers were worse. Nowadays it is hard to get the kids off the xbox long enough for them to get into much trouble. Even my nephew, who is a bit rough around the edges and was raised mostly by a single mother of 6 boys, is probably a little better behaved than I was.

wow.....they are better behaved than YOU and this means the "women's liberation" movement worked....again, you're naive and actually, i'm beginning to think pathetic

This is not just anecdotal as crime rates have dropped, tremendously, since the 80s-90s and continue to in rough economic times. Why is that? In my opinion, it is largely due to the fact that this generation of parents is better suited for the new realities, having been raised under them. There is also the fact that we are better at detecting crimes, which probably plays a part. Also, we have at least somewhat relaxed the drug war. But I think the last two are lesser factors.

huh.....do you even understand what you are saying?

So here are some facts you need to accept...

no....quite wrong, all you have presented are OPINIONS.....

Abortion is not going to be outlawed. Shut up already.

that is not a fact, sorry, but you're a moron if you think that is a fact, that is a statement about what YOU THINK the future will hold

The major fighting in the drug war is approaching it's sunset. It was stupid to begin with and it did not stop drug use. Local and state governments across the country are finding they no longer have the money to fight it.

the "war" on drugs in an embarassment to this country....

Homosexuals will be allowed to marry. That mythical family unit should not be a road block any longer. It never existed and the realities were nowhere near ideal. It certainly does not exist now, nor will it appear if we just keep the homosexuals down.

for the most part....agree

You are not going to reclaim the public spheres, where you once brainwashed the children with myths and false fears. You are certainly free to practice your faith and/or strive for your ideal family. But, to hell with your religion forced down our throats by the force of law.

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The social conservatives need to sit down and shut up. We are not going back through it. It's over, you lost, move on and don't worry so much. It's gonna be alright.

again, naive....things come around, things come back....don't be such an idiot

 

[Timshel]

maybe for some, but for others such a life was in fact a reality....to ignore that, only highlights your ignorance

Are you kidding me? Who lived Leave it to Beaver?

quite a naive statement, shows you nothing about the true relationships between men and women, only what your politik talking points tell you

What's your point? You failed to make one. What am I missing about the relationship?

wow.....they are better behaved than YOU and this means the "women's liberation" movement worked....again, you're naive and actually, i'm beginning to think pathetic

huh.....do you even understand what you are saying?

What the hell are you talking about? Of course, it worked. Women have far more equality than they once did.

My point in saying that the children are better behaved than my generation is not about the success of women's lib, so much, as it is too highlight our societies successful adaptations to the changes it brought. The parents of today, I believe, survived the trauma that was caused by women's lib. It created anger in a lot of the kids and our parents had little concept of a broken home (they did not live Leave it to Beaver though). They did not know how to deal with it. We do.

I know what I am saying. I don't know what you are saying as you have not offered a counter point, just stupid ad homs.

no....quite wrong, all you have presented are OPINIONS.....

that is not a fact, sorry, but you're a moron if you think that is a fact, that is a statement about what YOU THINK the future will hold

the "war" on drugs in an embarassment to this country....

for the most part....agree?

again, naive....things come around, things come back....don't be such an idiot

Blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. That might as well have been your response as you failed to make many points and the ones you did you did not support with argument. Are you drunk?

No, things are not coming back around. Women will not be going back to second class citizens. Where has there ever been a regress on civil rights? And religions influence has done nothing but decline, as well. If you think things are going to "come back" in relation to these things then you are ignorant of history.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

...or it soon will be.

It's time for the social conservatives to face the facts of the world as it now exists. The ideal of the two parent family unit is dead and it is not going to return. "Leave it to Beaver" was nothing but a myth to begin with.

Much of the change in the social dynamics was due to equal rights for women. Basically, they no longer have to put up with our shit and can leave us at anytime. Now, don't get it twisted, I am not sorry about it. It was necessary. They should have never been treated as they once were.

The social upheaval in the wake of women's liberation has passed. The family unit has moved on and I am often struck by the fact that many of the children that surround me are better behaved than I was. I was hell on wheels and many of my peers were worse. Nowadays it is hard to get the kids off the xbox long enough for them to get into much trouble. Even my nephew, who is a bit rough around the edges and was raised mostly by a single mother of 6 boys, is probably a little better behaved than I was.

This is not just anecdotal as crime rates have dropped, tremendously, since the 80s-90s and continue to in rough economic times. Why is that? In my opinion, it is largely due to the fact that this generation of parents is better suited for the new realities, having been raised under them. There is also the fact that we are better at detecting crimes, which probably plays a part. Also, we have at least somewhat relaxed the drug war. But I think the last two are lesser factors.

So here are some facts you need to accept...

Abortion is not going to be outlawed. Shut up already.

The major fighting in the drug war is approaching it's sunset. It was stupid to begin with and it did not stop drug use. Local and state governments across the country are finding they no longer have the money to fight it.

Homosexuals will be allowed to marry. That mythical family unit should not be a road block any longer. It never existed and the realities were nowhere near ideal. It certainly does not exist now, nor will it appear if we just keep the homosexuals down.

You are not going to reclaim the public spheres, where you once brainwashed the children with myths and false fears. You are certainly free to practice your faith and/or strive for your ideal family. But, to hell with your religion forced down our throats by the force of law.

The social conservatives need to sit down and shut up. We are not going back through it. It's over, you lost, move on and don't worry so much. It's gonna be alright.

As if you comprehend the facts of the world. LOL.

you say "gaggle of dogs" <-- moronic

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You are not going to reclaim the public spheres, where you once brainwashed the children with myths and false fears. You are certainly free to practice your faith and/or strive for your ideal family. But, to hell with your religion forced down our throats by the force of law.

The social conservatives need to sit down and shut up. We are not going back through it. It's over, you lost, move on and don't worry so much. It's gonna be alright.

lol....well, I'm glad to see you finally admit this has all been about claiming public spheres and brainwashing the children.....

personally, I still say "to hell with your religion" of killing unborn children and changing the meaning of "marriage" by force of law....and I have no intention of sitting back and shutting up.....because as long as you do it, nothing will be "alright"......

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The culture war is over: Gaggle refers to geese, not dogs. Ever notice that stringfields "culture war" is really all about changing what words mean. Now all the sudden an in utero human being is not a human being, but a dehumanized lump of cells, like a wart? And Marriage has nothing to do with reproductive capacity?

It's all preparation for the statist citizen creation laboratories, which will supplant natural voluntary man/woman reproductions with pseudofamilies which raise pupae of mysterious statist origin.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Are you kidding me? Who lived Leave it to Beaver?

well, I had a two parent family, a mother who was a stay at home mom, I screwed things up as frequently as Beaver did and had parents who disciplined me, but loved me......so I guess I lived Leave it to Beaver......maybe that's why I grew up normal and you grew up twisted and weird......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

The culture war is over: Gaggle refers to geese, not dogs. Ever notice that stringfields "culture war" is really all about changing what words mean. Now all the sudden and in utero human being is not a human being, but a dehumanized lump of cells, like a wart? And Marriage has nothing to do with reproductive capacity?

It's all preparation for the statist citizen creation laboratories, which will supplant natural voluntary man/woman reproductions with pseudofamilies which raise pupae of mysterious statist origin.

the culture war is over for Stringfield.....he's been brainwashed.....some of us are still fighting it.....

 

[Onceler]

There will always be a "culture war," for lack of a better term. The question will always be where the battle line is.

The line is unquestionably further & further from where general "social conservatives" wish it was.

 

[Timshel]

lol....well, I'm glad to see you finally admit this has all been about claiming public spheres and brainwashing the children.....

It's mostly been about humans rights. But the social conservatives have been whining about being excluded from hawking there myths through public schools and other venues, since I was a child. And no one is trying to brainwash the kids. They are just trying to protect them from it.

personally, I still say "to hell with your religion" of killing unborn children and changing the meaning of "marriage" by force of law....and I have no intention of sitting back and shutting up.....because as long as you do it, nothing will be "alright"......

Laws prohibiting abortion are not going to return. All you do by focusing attention is distract from more important social issues

Nobody is trying to force gay marriage on you or change THE "definition" of marriage either. The actual definition or institution of marriage has been altered significantly by the fragile nature of it once both parties are equal before the law. Homosexual marriage just changes who is allowed to marry and nothing else.

 

[Timshel]

well, I had a two parent family, a mother who was a stay at home mom, I screwed things up as frequently as Beaver did and had parents who disciplined me, but loved me......so I guess I lived Leave it to Beaver......maybe that's why I grew up normal and you grew up twisted and weird......

Fuck you asshole. I grew up fine. My father died when I was three. My mother had no option in it. She just did the best she could. But I saw your Leave it to Beaver fantasy, where some drunk fuck beat his wife, berated his sons or touched his daughters, for the truth of what it was and often felt that at least I only had a mother that loved me and did her best.

You may have been some little naive puke where in your mind it was all picket fences and all the rest, but that was never reality. You grew up dumb, not normal.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Fuck you asshole. I grew up fine. My father died when I was three. My mother had no option in it. She just did the best she could. But I saw your Leave it to Beaver fantasy, where some drunk fuck beat his wife, berated his sons or touched his daughters, for the truth of what it was and often felt that at least I only had a mother that loved me and did her best.

You may have been some little naive puke where in your mind it was all picket fences and all the rest, but that was never reality. You grew up dumb, not normal.

That's right. AMerican traditions are all about abuse and child molestation.

Go to Israel you fucking assshole jew. Take your theocracy with you.

 

[Timshel]

There will always be a "culture war," for lack of a better term. The question will always be where the battle line is.

The line is unquestionably further & further from where general "social conservatives" wish it was.

I don't think so. Women's liberation was a transformative even that forever changed the family. The fantasy of the stable American family was built on subservience of women to men. This process created upheaval that has now passed.

It's hard to say, with any certainty, how much that effected child development and the resulting crime rates. But it had affect. That was my point, to a large extent.

For social conservatives the line has not moved. The social conservatives have been trying to get back to the late 40s, early 50s for the last 30 years. They are not now trying to get back to the 70s-80s. The myth grows dimmer with every passing day and it is not coming back.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I don't think so. Women's liberation was a transformative even that forever changed the family. The fantasy of the stable American family was built on subservience of women to men. This process created upheaval that has now passed.

It's hard to say, with any certainty, how much that effected child development and the resulting crime rates. But it had affect. That was my point, to a large extent.

For social conservatives the line has not moved. The social conservatives have been trying to get back to the late 40s, early 50s for the last 30 years. They are not now trying to get back to the 70s-80s. The myth grows dimmer with every passing day and it is not coming back.

That hackneyed feminist tripe was debunked in the late seventies, dude; it's
along the lines of "all sex is rape" etc. It's hysterical and unmanly as well. Get a grip and grow a pair.

 

[Timshel]

That's right. AMerican traditions are all about abuse and child molestation.

Go to Israel you fucking assshole jew. Take your theocracy with you.

The fantasy of the stable home for the purposes of child rearing, that you claim justifies denying homosexuals the right to marry, was built on the subservience of women to men. As women became more free to work outside of the home and to enjoy full legal rights, divorce rates went up and that myth was forever fractured.

The reality now is that a child has no expectation that their parents are going to stay together forever and live happily ever after. Their parents do not either. The truth is, that that was all a cruel fantasy to start with.

I am not saying it cannot be achieved. Everyone still wants it. But our expectations of it have changed to something more realistic. Social conservatives can try to still live the lie if they wish, but they will almost certainly fail.

The time of taking the woman's role for granted is over. As a male, if you hope to provide your children with a stable two parent home, you better be ready to work for it.

Olay hamburger is here! Kill the gentiles. (just fing with nAHZi)

 

[Timshel]

That hackneyed feminist tripe was debunked in the late seventies, dude; it's
along the lines of "all sex is rape" etc. It's hysterical and unmanly as well. Get a grip and grow a pair.

Straw man.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

It's mostly been about humans rights. But the social conservatives have been whining about being excluded from hawking there myths through public schools and other venues, since I was a child. And no one is trying to brainwash the kids. They are just trying to protect them from it.

rofl....the left has been whining about being shortchanged on the "brainwashing" cycle for quite a while....now that there's been a slight shift and you've been able to do your own brainwashing you think it's quite acceptable.....

Laws prohibiting abortion are not going to return.

of course they will....in time, people will look on those who promoted the killing of unborn children in the same way they currently look on those who lynched blacks or gas chambered Jews......and rightly so....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Fuck you asshole. I grew up fine. My father died when I was three. My mother had no option in it. She just did the best she could. But I saw your Leave it to Beaver fantasy, where some drunk fuck beat his wife, berated his sons or touched his daughters, for the truth of what it was and often felt that at least I only had a mother that loved me and did her best.

You may have been some little naive puke where in your mind it was all picket fences and all the rest, but that was never reality. You grew up dumb, not normal.

....don't pretend you weren't proclaiming your lifestyle was somehow superior to Beaver's.....it's not my fault your posts portray you as some sick fuck who didn't have a television and thus thought Ward Cleaver had daughters that he was abusing.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

For social conservatives the line has not moved. The social conservatives have been trying to get back to the late 40s, early 50s for the last 30 years. They are not now trying to get back to the 70s-80s. The myth grows dimmer with every passing day and it is not coming back.

no need to go "back" to anywhere.....how about going forward, to a time when we don't kill children because they are inconvenient.....that is, you realize, the number one reason for abortion.....