the Johnson Amendment

NOVA said:
No....whats the difference? Besides the fact that the President thinks he is above that rules....and you think a preacher has no freedom of speech....

Powerful people live by a different set of laws and rules....??? is that your point....

No wonder you're an idiot....thats why a previous AG of Arkansas thought he could rape a women, and commit perjury....
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You'd better brush up on the requirements of a 501(c)(3), moron. Then you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself as you are now. At least on this subject.

A preacher has complete freedom of speech, dimwit. But, as in all circumstances, there are consequences of that speech. When his speech violates the requirements for a 501(c)(3), they merely lose their tax exempt status. Freedom of speech still intact.

See how that works, idiot?
 
religion and politics are often intertwined. When you disallow a religion to speak freely of their beliefs, you are preventing their free exercise of religion. Churches shouldn't be taxed, and they should be allowed to say what they believe. I say this as a staunch atheist. The idea that paying taxes and sucking taker dick is the price of admission to speak politically is an abhorrent notion to begin with.
 
Imperator said:
religion and politics are often intertwined. When you disallow a religion to speak freely of their beliefs, you are preventing their free exercise of religion. Churches shouldn't be taxed, and they should be allowed to say what they believe. I say this as a staunch atheist. The idea that paying taxes and sucking taker dick is the price of admission to speak politically is an abhorrent notion to begin with.
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Speech isn’t disallowed. Tax exempt status is. Want to play in the secular world? Great. Play by secular rules.
 
domer76 said:
Speech isn’t disallowed. Tax exempt status is. Want to play in the secular world? Great. Play by secular rules.
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why would say the issue of abortion, be only a secular issue? that certainly still seems to be in the realms of religion. As would things like the death penalty, helping the needy, advocating for various social programs, all have a religious bent to them as well as political. secular topics are not mutually exclusive with religious ones.
 
Imperator said:
why would say the issue of abortion, be only a secular issue? that certainly still seems to be in the realms of religion. As would things like the death penalty, helping the needy, advocating for various social programs, all have a religious bent to them as well as political. secular topics are not mutually exclusive with religious ones.
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Altruism is not exclusively religious, my friends who were raised Atheist are supporters of helping the needy and advocating for social programs, even in natural you see animal show compassion for each other.
 
Imperator said:
religion and politics are often intertwined. When you disallow a religion to speak freely of their beliefs, you are preventing their free exercise of religion. Churches shouldn't be taxed, and they should be allowed to say what they believe. I say this as a staunch atheist. The idea that paying taxes and sucking taker dick is the price of admission to speak politically is an abhorrent notion to begin with.
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I am very surprised you don’t think churches should be taxed.
 
Imperator said:
why would say the issue of abortion, be only a secular issue? that certainly still seems to be in the realms of religion. As would things like the death penalty, helping the needy, advocating for various social programs, all have a religious bent to them as well as political. secular topics are not mutually exclusive with religious ones.
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Nope they sure aren’t but public policy should be made based on fact, reason, the public interest and the principals of fairness and equality. Not some denominations dogma or religious belief.
 
Imperator said:
religion and politics are often intertwined. When you disallow a religion to speak freely of their beliefs, you are preventing their free exercise of religion. Churches shouldn't be taxed, and they should be allowed to say what they believe. I say this as a staunch atheist. The idea that paying taxes and sucking taker dick is the price of admission to speak politically is an abhorrent notion to begin with.
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I see. So please explain to me how taxation of Churches who generate revenue abridges either their freedom of speech or free exercise of religion?
 
Imperator said:
religion and politics are often intertwined. When you disallow a religion to speak freely of their beliefs, you are preventing their free exercise of religion. Churches shouldn't be taxed, and they should be allowed to say what they believe. I say this as a staunch atheist. The idea that paying taxes and sucking taker dick is the price of admission to speak politically is an abhorrent notion to begin with.
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churches should rent atheists our rights.......
 
Imperator said:
why would say the issue of abortion, be only a secular issue? that certainly still seems to be in the realms of religion. As would things like the death penalty, helping the needy, advocating for various social programs, all have a religious bent to them as well as political. secular topics are not mutually exclusive with religious ones.
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Yep. Those are all acceptable topics. You should probably inform yourself if the requirements for a 501)c)(3).

It may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Nope they sure aren’t but public policy should be made based on fact, reason, the public interest and the principals of fairness and equality. Not some denominations dogma or religious belief.
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Fairness and equality? Interesting how those that use such terms also want to be the ones to determine if something is being applied in fair way and/or equally.
 
domer76 said:
Yep. Those are all acceptable topics. You should probably inform yourself if the requirements for a 501)c)(3).

It may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity.
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Someone should have informed the black churches where Hillary "preached" her "sermons" of the law. Or are they exempt?
 
domer76 said:
You'd better brush up on the requirements of a 501(c)(3), moron. Then you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself as you are now. At least on this subject.

A preacher has complete freedom of speech, dimwit. But, as in all circumstances, there are consequences of that speech. When his speech violates the requirements for a 501(c)(3), they merely lose their tax exempt status. Freedom of speech still intact.

See how that works, idiot?
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[h=2]Political Activity[/h][FONT=&quot]Generally, 501(c)(3) organizations may not participate in any political or substantial lobbying activity. Specifically, they may not make contributions to political campaign funds nor promote a particular candidate for office. Lobbying, or attempting to influence legislative activity, is only allowed if the expenditures are under a certain amount based on the size of the organization.
Lobbying activity and contributions....

[FONT=&quot]The IRS has published [/FONT]Revenue Ruling 2007-41[FONT=&quot], which outlines how churches, and all 501(c)(3) organizations, can stay within the law regarding the ban on political activity. Also, the ban by Congress is on political campaign activity regarding a candidate; churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations can engage in a limited amount of lobbying (including ballot measures) and advocate for or against issues that are in the political arena. The IRS also has provided guidance regarding the difference between advocating for a candidate and advocating for legislation. [/FONT][/FONT]
 
NOVA said:
[h=2]Political Activity[/h][FONT="]Generally, 501(c)(3) organizations [B]may not participate in any political or substantial lobbying activity. Specifically, they may not make contributions to political campaign funds nor promote a particular candidate for office.[/B] Lobbying, or attempting to influence legislative activity, is only allowed if the expenditures are under a certain amount based on the size of the organization.
Lobbying activity and contributions....

[COLOR=#333333][FONT="]The IRS has published [/FONT]Revenue Ruling 2007-41[FONT="], which outlines how churches, and all 501(c)(3) organizations, can stay within the law regarding the ban on political activity. Also, the ban by Congress is on political campaign activity regarding a candidate; churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations can engage in a limited amount of lobbying (including ballot measures) and advocate for or against issues that are in the political arena. The IRS also has provided guidance regarding the difference between advocating for a candidate and advocating for legislation. [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
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Luckily, for the churches, they routinely violate these rules and get away with it. The Mormon Church is a perfect example.
 
domer76 said:
Yep. Those are all acceptable topics. You should probably inform yourself if the requirements for a 501)c)(3).

It may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity.
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im not arguing what is.

I am arguing what should be.
 
domer76 said:
Let’s see. The POTUS giving a speech at a church versus the preacher telling his people how to vote. Are you too fucking dumb to see the difference?
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Nova talks a good game...to retards.
For years he was the board retard, his stupidity reigned supreme but then Irish Darth Lol and Tsuke arrived. He is still in the bottom 5 though.
 
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