The insanity of blaming Islam

OnearmSword said:
Great you are noting what will be said to those that denied Christ= the Islamists. For they deny that Jesus is the Son of God..
Good job. Finally you get one correct..
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In your opinion what's going to happen to those who die without knowledge of Christianity? Let's use some Amazonian tribe for an example.
 
christiefan915 said:
The problem is, when you try to say how God's going to judge and weigh people you're putting yourself in his place and that's a no-no.

FYI, Catholics read the Bible too, and the Bible is part of Mass.
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Believe On Jesus:

(John 3:16) "¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: {26} And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(Acts 16:31) "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
(Romans 10:9-10) "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
(1 John 5:1) "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."
5. Receive Jesus:

(Revelation 3:20) " Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
(John 1:12) "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
(Galatians 4:6) "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
(Ephesians 3:17) "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,"

All the verses I cited are from the living Holy bible. I simply gave biblical sources for my contention that the Church is dead wrong if it states the Muslims are saved. HOW CAN THEY BE WHEN THEY DENY JESUS, DENY HIS DIVINITY AND DENY THE SALVATION THAT HE GAVE TO ALL THAT ACCEPT?
You would be wise to rethink your position on this. I do not demand but merely point that out.
 
christiefan915 said:
In your opinion what's going to happen to those who die without knowledge of Christianity? Let's use some Amazonian tribe for an example.
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If there is a second chance offered by Jesus to those that had no chance to ever know of him then I am all for it.
We should pray that there is. However it's not my right to question it if there is not.

This verse is the most important verse in the bible IMHO.

(John 14:6) "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

No true Christian can deny it or ignore it..
 
OnearmSword said:
Believe On Jesus:

(John 3:16) "¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: {26} And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(Acts 16:31) "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
(Romans 10:9-10) "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
(1 John 5:1) "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."
5. Receive Jesus:

(Revelation 3:20) " Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
(John 1:12) "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
(Galatians 4:6) "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
(Ephesians 3:17) "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,"

All the verses I cited are from the living Holy bible. I simply gave biblical sources for my contention that the Church is dead wrong if it states the Muslims are saved. HOW CAN THEY BE WHEN THEY DENY JESUS, DENY HIS DIVINITY AND DENY THE SALVATION THAT HE GAVE TO ALL THAT ACCEPT?
You would be wise to rethink your position on this. I do not demand but merely point that out.
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You would be wise to reflect on this:

And you shall love THE LORD JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your entire soul and with your entire mind and with all your power.' This is the first commandment” 31“And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these.”
 
christiefan915 said:
You would be wise to reflect on this:

And you shall love THE LORD JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your entire soul and with your entire mind and with all your power.' This is the first commandment” 31“And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these.”
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I am not Christian, but these sentiments of Jesus and also stated by other great humans before him are what I live by, do no harm. I fail many times, but the majority of the time I am true to myself.

I also believe, to name god is not God.
 
Matthew 5

****38“You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’39“But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.40“If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.41“Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.42“Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

****43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
 
christiefan915 said:
Church teaching is that "All human beings are called to belong to the Church. Not all are fully incorporated into the Church, but "the Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christ, but who do not however profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter" (Lumen gentium, 15). In addition, the Church declares the possibility of Salvation for non-Christians and even non-theists:

Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God. In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh. On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.
—Lumen gentium 16

I find there's a certain segment of fundamentalists who have the nerve to proclaim that their interpretation of the Bible is the only true one. You appear to be one of them. All Christians were Catholic until the 1500s. It's pretty arrogant to claim that a scriptural interpretation made by a man, Luther, trumps the centuries of previous teachings. IMO your interpretation of Christianity is as harsh and unforgiving as any Muslim fundamentalist's interpretation of Islam.
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And you have the nerve to call Pat Robertson crazy.....give us a break.......

You still fancy yourself a Catholic that won't adhere to the Catholic teachings and tenets of the Church.....is your Pope not in the Vatican ?
 
NOVA said:
And you have the nerve to call Pat Robertson crazy.....give us a break.......

You still fancy yourself a Catholic that won't adhere to the Catholic teachings and tenets of the Church.....is your Pope not in the Vatican ?
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Go talk to some other atheist. You're blathering.
 
christiefan915 said:
No terrorism is condoned or supported by mainstream Muslims, either.
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Unfortunately, you continue to be wrong. It certainly IS condoned, because it hasn't been denounced and condemned by the leaders of Islam. There is indeed a passive support for radical Jihad, and the Quran does spell out the belief in Caliphate, which is what the Jihad is all about. You are taking the fact that all Muslims have not been radicalized, to mean that they don't condone or support the radical Islamists, but that is simply not true.
 
NOVA said:
And you have the nerve to call Pat Robertson crazy.....give us a break.......

You still fancy yourself a Catholic that won't adhere to the Catholic teachings and tenets of the Church.....is your Pope not in the Vatican ?
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Has she ever told you personally what she practices? WHere is your proof she doesn't practice or adher to the teachings of the Catholic Church, personally? And let me emphasize, personally.
 
Dixie said:
Unfortunately, you continue to be wrong. It certainly IS condoned, because it hasn't been denounced and condemned by the leaders of Islam. There is indeed a passive support for radical Jihad, and the Quran does spell out the belief in Caliphate, which is what the Jihad is all about. You are taking the fact that all Muslims have not been radicalized, to mean that they don't condone or support the radical Islamists, but that is simply not true.
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Google is your friend
 
NOVA said:
There hasn't been any 'Christian' terrorism for centuries.....and what we commonly refer to as Christian terrorism is actually "Papal" terrorism under the guise of
Catholicism...........hundreds of years ago.....

Westboro Church might qualify as obnoxious assholes and racist, bigoted clowns, but hardly terrorist in a real sense, or even Christian in a real sense.....

There has been no terrorism that is condoned by, or supported by, mainstream Christians in any real sense of the word for centuries.....
and terrorism has never been taught by them as a tenet......
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Vanilla, I have to disagree, the Christians terrorized the Native Alaskans.

I also believe Christian's terrorized slaves in the USA.

Then we could move on to other continents. Onward, Christian missionaries, but that is discussion for another thread.
 
Dixie said:
Unfortunately, you continue to be wrong. It certainly IS condoned, because it hasn't been denounced and condemned by the leaders of Islam. There is indeed a passive support for radical Jihad, and the Quran does spell out the belief in Caliphate, which is what the Jihad is all about. You are taking the fact that all Muslims have not been radicalized, to mean that they don't condone or support the radical Islamists, but that is simply not true.
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