The guy that won't show his taxes wants to "fix" ours???

What crash of 2000? The .com bubble bursting led to the start of the recession, exacerbated by Bush's tax cuts and increased spending. The market tanked after 9/11, which was not due to any real policy failures at that moment.

You're getting your other claims backward. The lowering of cap gains made it appealing for the thieves to divert more money into investment earnings, than salary.

The Nasdaq went from about 5000 in March of 2000 to 2500 by the end of the year. You saying a 50% drop off in tech stocks wasn't a crash?

Then you go on to say that spending by the government exacerbated the downturn? As did tax cuts? Please elaborate on BOTH of those. Because BOTH are stimulus to the economy, not detriments.
 
I hate and am ashamed of whites like him, they give the rest of us a bad name.
Holy roller from Tennessee. Backward thinking for sure, but he hides behind claims of racism when you point out that the gene pool in that area is rather small.
 
The problem with your list is that it excludes capitalist plutocracies, which are very problematic as well - as well as being an inaccurate list.

Cuba is not a plutocracy. The Castro brothers nor other Cubans are billionaires at the expense of the people.

Russia is more a kleptocracy than a plutocracy, but it is plutocratic - headed by people who are anti-communist.

It's far more plutocratic now than when it was communist.


But the point here has nothing to do with communism - it has to do with plutocracy, and how we can be more or less plutocratic, with liberal or Democratic Socialist policies like in Scandanavia and somewhat Canada, western Europe, etc.
it's the same. oligarchs now - apparatchiks then
 
Except, according to Black female, Donna Brazile, it was the Old Hillbag and the the elite Dems that rigged and stole an election. I'm sure you have not heard about her new book, living in a racist liberal bubble as you do.
"da Russians" / racists / the DNC...*yawn*
The DNC treated Bernie like dog turds-then Hillary blames him for not supporting her (which he did)
 
The Nasdaq went from about 5000 in March of 2000 to 2500 by the end of the year. You saying a 50% drop off in tech stocks wasn't a crash?

Then you go on to say that spending by the government exacerbated the downturn? As did tax cuts? Please elaborate on BOTH of those. Because BOTH are stimulus to the economy, not detriments.
Defense spending doesn't stimulate the economy.

Why not cite the Dow instead? .com bubble lowered the Dow app. 10% during the year.

http://www.fedprimerate.com/dow-jones-industrial-average-history-djia.htm
 
Incorrect on all counts. Average family gets $1000/year, and the wealthy get billions. AMT will be gone...saving trump millions per year.

Many corporations pay zero taxes with the vast majority paying between 16%-18%.

All in exchange for massive cuts to Medicare/Caid. Wanna tell us how that benefits the middle class?

Now I'm calling you out for spewing dishonest, Right Wing bullshit.


Edit...throw in the end of SALT, and mortgage interest deductions, and you bogus claims about income gains for the middle class fall flat

you can't just say 'avg family gets $1000' and not say how you got those numbers. I, unlike you, justified my numbers.

Saying many corporations pay zero taxes is like saying many individuals pay zero taxes. Of course that happens. That doesn't alter the fact that the corporate tax rate is regressive.

Please share with us these 'massive cuts to medicare'???

Note: A cut to medicaid does not effect the middle class at all. They are not eligible for medicaid. Medicaid is for the poor. As for Medicare cuts, those too don't effect the majority of the middle class. As you have to be 65+ for medicare.
 
Defense spending doesn't stimulate the economy.

Why not cite the Dow instead? .com bubble lowered the Dow app. 10% during the year.

http://www.fedprimerate.com/dow-jones-industrial-average-history-djia.htm

LMAO... how do you justify your comment that defense spending doesn't stimulate the economy? You think the people in the defense sector don't spend?

I cited the Nasdaq because that represents the tech sector. Which collapsed by 50%. That was a significant drag on the rest of the economy and it began in March of 2000.
 
LMAO... how do you justify your comment that defense spending doesn't stimulate the economy? You think the people in the defense sector don't spend?

I cited the Nasdaq because that represents the tech sector. Which collapsed by 50%. That was a significant drag on the rest of the economy and it began in March of 2000.
Great. I addressed that pages ago. What's your point? What did the Dow do?
 
you can't just say 'avg family gets $1000' and not say how you got those numbers. I, unlike you, justified my numbers.

Saying many corporations pay zero taxes is like saying many individuals pay zero taxes. Of course that happens. That doesn't alter the fact that the corporate tax rate is regressive.

Please share with us these 'massive cuts to medicare'???

Note: A cut to medicaid does not effect the middle class at all. They are not eligible for medicaid. Medicaid is for the poor. As for Medicare cuts, those too don't effect the majority of the middle class. As you have to be 65+ for medicare.
You don't know very much about Medicaid. Do a little research about where 60% of Medicaid money goes.
 
No, while there was a 'party elite' then, the level of plutocracy in my opinion now dwarfs the level during communism.

Your opinion is wrong. Hillbag, despite spending much more than Donald, was uanble to buy the election ... even with the Dem elite and SS wealthy media "talking heads" (like the Vanderbilt) rigging the election for her.
 
you can't just say 'avg family gets $1000' and not say how you got those numbers. I, unlike you, justified my numbers.

Saying many corporations pay zero taxes is like saying many individuals pay zero taxes. Of course that happens. That doesn't alter the fact that the corporate tax rate is regressive.

Please share with us these 'massive cuts to medicare'???

Note: A cut to medicaid does not effect the middle class at all. They are not eligible for medicaid. Medicaid is for the poor. As for Medicare cuts, those too don't effect the majority of the middle class. As you have to be 65+ for medicare.

A simple summary: as Bernie said in a debate with Ted Cruz about the bill, 80% of the benefits go to the top 1% (Cruz did not challenge the claim).

The proposed fiscal 2018 budget resolution Senate Republicans announced last week would lead to a $1 trillion cut to Medicaid and $473 billion cut to Medicare over the next decade, along with slashing other programs low-income individuals rely on, according to a new report prepared by the Senate Budget Committee minority staff...

On top of giving massive tax breaks to the people “who need it the least,” the proposed budget resolution would result in $1 trillion in cuts to Medicaid, which “will throw 15 million people off of the health insurance they currently have,” Sanders said Tuesday to reporters on Capitol Hill.

“And then on top of that, what they want to do is provide $470 billion in cuts to Medicare, at a time when so many seniors are struggling to keep their heads above water,” Sanders added.

Republicans on Capitol Hill say it’s unfair to call it a “cut,” because it is instead a reduction in the rate of growth. That slowed growth, however, will come as the population is rapidly aging...

Sanders’s report predicts that if the cuts are applied proportionately, Republicans in total would cut at least $5 trillion over the next decade from education, health care, affordable housing, child care, nutrition assistance, transportation, and other programs.

“But it’s not only cuts to Medicaid and Medicare, it is cuts to nutrition programs,” Sanders said. “The [Women, Infants, and Children] program, designed to provide help to low-income pregnant women and newly born babies, will be cut when we have more infant mortality, higher infant mortality, than any other country. Head Start programs will be cut, child care programs will be cut, affordable housing programs will be cut.”

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/04/senate-budget-tax-cuts-medicare-medicaid-health-care/
 
No, while there was a 'party elite' then, the level of plutocracy in my opinion now dwarfs the level during communism.
Communism infected every area of Russian life -if you wern't an apparatchik you didn't get a decent apartment
You probably didn't own a car. you were subject to KGB hassling etc, it was pervasive
Communism was the biggest plutocracy of them all...

Today's oligarchs don't get money for being friends of Putin ( well they do to some extent-cronyism)
if you want to be a millionaire in Russia, you have to run a sector/business.

Today's Russia IS capatalistic-that how oligarchs become oligarchs
 
Communism infected every area of Russian life -if you wern't an apparatchik you didn't get a decent apatment
You probably didn't own a car.
Communism was the biggest plutocracy of them all...

Today's oligarchs don't get money for being friends of Putin ( well they do to some extent-cronyism)
if you want to be a millionaire in Russia, you have to run a sector/business.

Today's Russia IS capatalistic-that how oligarchs become oligarchs

That's pretty hilarious, your saying today's oligarchs don't get money for being friends of Putin. That has to be one of the most false things said here in a long time - though you did retract it partly.

You simply don't understand the levels of plutocracy in my opinion comparing communist Russia and Putin's Russia. Why don't you go get some facts on the amounts of wealth in the hands of those at the top?
 
Communism infected every area of Russian life -if you wern't an apparatchik you didn't get a decent apartment
You probably didn't own a car. you were subject to KGB hassling etc, it was pervasive
Communism was the biggest plutocracy of them all...

Today's oligarchs don't get money for being friends of Putin ( well they do to some extent-cronyism)
if you want to be a millionaire in Russia, you have to run a sector/business.

Today's Russia IS capatalistic-that how oligarchs become oligarchs
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles...-hundreds-of-billions-of-russias-wealth-43920
 
That's pretty hilarious, your saying today's oligarchs don't get money for being friends of Putin. That has to be one of the most false things said here in a long time - though you did retract it partly.

You simply don't understand the levels of plutocracy in my opinion comparing communist Russia and Putin's Russia. Why don't you go get some facts on the amounts of wealth in the hands of those at the top?
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Putin referees the oligarchs. He doesn't create them.

It's kina like the old boyars -putin isn't some czar handing out wealth..

The plutocracy is stratified like any society that concentrates wealth at the top -THEY ALL DO.

The difference now isyou have to have talent as a business person -
unlike Communism that delved down into every little business and babushka.
 
Communism infected every area of Russian life -if you wern't an apparatchik you didn't get a decent apartment
You probably didn't own a car. you were subject to KGB hassling etc, it was pervasive
Communism was the biggest plutocracy of them all...

Today's oligarchs don't get money for being friends of Putin ( well they do to some extent-cronyism)
if you want to be a millionaire in Russia, you have to run a sector/business.

Today's Russia IS capatalistic-that how oligarchs become oligarchs

I agree. Except capitalism implies "free enterprise" and a "free press". I don't see
much of either of those in Russia ... even today. Putin imprisoned Russia's second richest man. Second only to Putin himself who has made billions as the world leader of Socialism.
 
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