The GOP is serious about fixing the debates

archives said:
"Fixing?" Don't you mean attempting to control?

How were Presidential debates or Primary debates "biased?"
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Snowden had proof that a moderator was leaking questions - he let that proof be known. that is a big issue that can't happen in a fair election
 
zymurgy said:
Snowden had proof that a moderator was leaking questions - he let that proof be known. that is a big issue that can't happen in a fair election
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So tell us how the 2020 Presidential debates were biased. Show us the proof you say Snowden had that proves the debates were biased.
 
The GOP doesn't want to be put on the spot when it comes to their policies...because they have none.
 
zymurgy said:
Snowden had proof that a moderator was leaking questions - he let that proof be known. that is a big issue that can't happen in a fair election
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Trump never prepared for any of the debates, so what does it matter?

Do you think if Trump got the questions ahead of time, he would have acted any differently?
 
zymurgy said:
the biggest flaw in debates is none happen before states open up for early voting
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Why? Don't you want people to watch your candidate on TV and then go vote for them the next day?

That seems like the only way Trump could ever win again...that is, if his voters didn't commit voter fraud all over the place....


the second biggest flaw - is they are too biased - to the point we even know the moderators are lettings their preferred candidate know about the questions before they are asked
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So what?

Like, who gives a shit?

Do you honestly believe that if Trump got the questions ahead of time he would have acted any differently than he did?

Trump is lazy and doesn't prepare...and everyone knew what the questions were going to be anyway because of what was happening in the news at the time. So it's not a big mystery that the moderators would ask a question about COVID or immigration or whatever.
 
LV426 said:
Trump never prepared for any of the debates, so what does it matter?

Do you think if Trump got the questions ahead of time, he would have acted any differently?
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the beauty with doing the right thing is it is the right thing for everyone.

this is good for all politicians - and citizens that care about election integrity.

if you only care about winning - people would respond much like you are.
 
zymurgy said:
2016 is recent enough proof to know that we need to make these more fair. what happened in 2016 can - and likely does still happen.
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I don't understand what your problem with the debates are other than the fact that they put Conservatism on the spot and your shitty candidates have to then either explain why their policies failed, or try to deflect and not talk about them.

If Trump got the questions ahead of time, he wouldn't have done anything differently than he did.
 
zymurgy said:
the beauty with doing the right thing is it is the right thing for everyone.
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Well hold on a second...because you and Trump are both lazy fucking assholes, so even if you got the questions ahead of time you still would have face-planted in the debate because the underlying belief system you have is fucked.
 
LV426 said:
I don't understand what your problem with the debates are other than the fact that they put Conservatism on the spot and your shitty candidates have to then either explain why their policies failed, or try to deflect and not talk about them.

If Trump got the questions ahead of time, he wouldn't have done anything differently than he did.
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I listed two specific problems - that a majority of reasonable person would agree with

1 - informed voting is preferred over uninformed voting. So having debates prior to allowing people to vote is preferred

2 - eliminating bias from the debate would be ideal. I am open to suggestions on how this can be done
 
zymurgy said:
you moved the goal post

2016 is recent enough proof to know that we need to make these more fair. what happened in 2016 can - and likely does still happen.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/donna-brazile-hillary-clinton-leak-regret-236184
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That was Snowden? Not moving any goalposts, one supposed instance from four years previous does not prove all Presidential debates are biased, and if they are so biased as you claimed, why did the GOP and Trump agree to any of the 2020 debates? In fact, they wanted another debate

Fact is Trump dumped so bad in all the debates the last thing he or the GOP wants is another debate of policy infront of a national audience, they'd rather echo their disinformation and innuendos on social media and the right wing media
 
zymurgy said:
if you only care about winning - people would respond much like you are.
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Who buys this shit? Please.

The only reason you don't like the debates is because it forces you to be accountable for your many, many, many, MANY policy failures.

Every single policy of yours failed.

Every single belief of yours led to failed policy.

So all you can do now is lob baseless accusations at people because you ain't got no policies to celebrate or pitch.

Well, that's not entirely true...you do have Rick Scott's plan to end SS, Medicare, and raise your taxes to celebrate and pitch.

Good luck with that.
 
archives said:
That was Snowden? Not moving any goalposts, one supposed instance from four years previous does not prove all Presidential debates are biased, and if they are so biased as you claimed, why did the GOP and Trump agree to any of the 2020 debates? In fact, they wanted another debate

Fact is Trump dumped so bad in all the debates the last thing he or the GOP wants is another debate of policy infront of a national audience, they'd rather echo their disinformation and innuendos on social media and the right wing media
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Trump is an idiot. this isn't about a person - this is about fixing a broken process
 
LV426 said:
I don't understand what your problem with the debates are other than the fact that they put Conservatism on the spot and your shitty candidates have to then either explain why their policies failed, or try to deflect and not talk about them.

If Trump got the questions ahead of time, he wouldn't have done anything differently than he did.
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Trump bombed in all debates he was in, and the last thing they want is a repeat performance by him or a Trump-lite candidate, especially since they don't want to run on policy but rather innuendo

And prepared candidate already has a pretty good idea of what areas the questions are going to be centered upon, if nothing else, have their talking points ready to bail if it is too tough
 
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