The Good Old Days....but for whom?

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Man, talk about triggered! Old RB is having a right melt down! Gotta love it!
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You're kidding?!! A healthy diet set him off? Jeez!


Set who off?
Remember our dearly departed McSlobber? It certainly set him off.
Trashcan5 confirmed it. Got her banned from APP for a while.

I have no idea as to whom you're referring to, as I tend to avoid & ignore flame wars.

I thought we were on the same page in the previous posts. No biggie. Never mind.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I and I explained in Post #122 why that is valid. If you don't agree, explain why. If not, then we're on the same page.

Your 14th amendment citation is not really relevant to legacy admissions.

The 14th prohibits discrimination based on race (and gender). A person not admitted because a legacy was admitted instead has no constitutional remedy. The fact that the legacy usurped another student is no different than a person being admitted because he is an athlete, from the Midwest, or because he was a member school organizations. The donations from the parents of legacy students might be valuable in allowing that school to purchase the latest scientific equipment or other important academic pursuits. We let students in college because they are good musicians, or actors, or artists. Those students may have lower GPA/SAT scores, but they are still valuable to the university.

Even legacy students are (usually) required to have a certain level of academic achievement to prevent that student from failing once he is admitted.

And, many legacy students do meet the academic standards to be admitted.

Simply put, race and legacy status are not comparable because equal protection has never been applied to that group.

Simply put, you're navigating around particular aspects of the 14th Amendment pertaining to this situation:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The major complaint against AA was that it was reverse racism in denying qualified non-black students their justified placement in a university.

Legacy does the same thing....more so to the effect of denying qualified students of all races, creeds & colors their justified placement in a university. That the vast majority of legacy students are from white upper middle class to rich parents, this insures the lack of diversity in a university. Although white students who are from working class, working middle class families are affected as well, they do not suffer the same stigma as black applicants all round. "Equal protection" would only apply to legacy students if their preferential treatment was not tied to the "club like" parts of a university's administrations.

It's like this: America in general has a real hard time acknowledging how a history of systemic racism has affected all aspects of it's society. So when something like this comes along, a fantastic display of pseudo-intellectual "justifications" for maintaining the status quo comes about.

Put it this way, we had 8 years of a President who smirked that "Even a 'C' student can make good", referring to his alleged grade point avg. AFTER he was admitted to Ivy league institutions on a legacy status. We all know how that played out. So if the country is willing to excuse/tolerate that, then an AA student getting a job in the private sector is no big deal.
 
I am not saying that!

50 years ago- 25 years ago- maybe so and for reasons of inequality in minority areas.

Has the playing field ever been leveled?

I still see areas of concern!

Can we just focus on these please, and stop all the playing politics and systemic racism please?

If you look at Trucking anyone and everyone is welcome if they can meet the driving abilities
 
translation: another MAGA mook gets his ass handed to him and then sputters and fumes EXACTLY as predicted.

When you present yourself as too absurd to deal with on a subject, I'll put you on ignore for a month or so and watch you hound my posts and threads like a bitch in heat.

Go have another drink and then yell at the kid on your lawn, RB. I'm done with you here.

Woo Hoo! I'm on ignore!
 
If you look at Trucking anyone and everyone is welcome if they can meet the driving abilities

Every 10th adult person you see is a truck driver. So yes, I understand all that.

In terms of housing, there is not enough affordable housing for people anymore and minorities are hurt the worst.

So, I said, "areas of concern", and there- I gave you an example of one of those areas.
 
Every 10th adult person you see is a truck driver. So yes, I understand all that.

In terms of housing, there is not enough affordable housing for people anymore and minorities are hurt the worst.

So, I said, "areas of concern", and there- I gave you an example of one of those areas.

To the bolded above I agree 100%. As to the minorities…where I live there are very few minorities with the exception of Natives. So, and this is completely from my perspective, people I consider to be normal folks who hold down normal jobs in factories, plants, driving trucks, working construction, etc. are being priced out of the housing market. They tell me that my place is now worth $225,000. That’s crazy! There’s no way that should be the case. I feel so badly for the young people nowadays trying to get started in life.

As to the Natives here, there are so many ways my tribe (Choctaw Nation) makes affordable housing available for us. Even I would qualify for what we affectionately call an “Indian home.”
 
Simply put, you're navigating around particular aspects of the 14th Amendment pertaining to this situation:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The major complaint against AA was that it was reverse racism in denying qualified non-black students their justified placement in a university.

Legacy does the same thing....more so to the effect of denying qualified students of all races, creeds & colors their justified placement in a university. That the vast majority of legacy students are from white upper middle class to rich parents, this insures the lack of diversity in a university. Although white students who are from working class, working middle class families are affected as well, they do not suffer the same stigma as black applicants all round. "Equal protection" would only apply to legacy students if their preferential treatment was not tied to the "club like" parts of a university's administrations.

It's like this: America in general has a real hard time acknowledging how a history of systemic racism has affected all aspects of it's society. So when something like this comes along, a fantastic display of pseudo-intellectual "justifications" for maintaining the status quo comes about.

Put it this way, we had 8 years of a President who smirked that "Even a 'C' student can make good", referring to his alleged grade point avg. AFTER he was admitted to Ivy league institutions on a legacy status. We all know how that played out. So if the country is willing to excuse/tolerate that, then an AA student getting a job in the private sector is no big deal.

Your main objection seems to boil down to the fact that you don't like rich white people.

I don't see anything in the 14th amendment provision you posted that would apply to legacy admits. i am not defending that practice, only stating that colleges admit students for many reasons and I don't there is a constitutional right prohibiting it.
 
To the bolded above I agree 100%. As to the minorities…where I live there are very few minorities with the exception of Natives. So, and this is completely from my perspective, people I consider to be normal folks who hold down normal jobs in factories, plants, driving trucks, working construction, etc. are being priced out of the housing market. They tell me that my place is now worth $225,000. That’s crazy! There’s no way that should be the case. I feel so badly for the young people nowadays trying to get started in life.

As to the Natives here, there are so many ways my tribe (Choctaw Nation) makes affordable housing available for us. Even I would qualify for what we affectionately call an “Indian home.”

You are a smart man for realizing what happened to the runaway Real Estate Market.

For those who are grandfathered in- It's been a Dream come true.

But for the youngest adult generation, it has turned into a nightmare with no relief in sight!

Without the government stepping up with some new FHA ideas, it's only going to get worse!

Thanks!
 
Every 10th adult person you see is a truck driver. So yes, I understand all that.

In terms of housing, there is not enough affordable housing for people anymore and minorities are hurt the worst.

So, I said, "areas of concern", and there- I gave you an example of one of those areas.

But Biden has put people to work so thaty should not be a problem. HAHAHHAHAHA
 
Your main objection seems to boil down to the fact that you don't like rich white people.

I don't see anything in the 14th amendment provision you posted that would apply to legacy admits. i am not defending that practice, only stating that colleges admit students for many reasons and I don't there is a constitutional right prohibiting it.
I don’t like that rich, white men get to finance our government policies.
 
I don’t like that rich, white men get to finance our government policies.

We could change the tax laws so that the bottom 50% also pay federal income taxes and then they would also be financing government policies.

I don't think that is what you mean but I'm not sure you mean by "finance government policies."
 
We could change the tax laws so that the bottom 50% also pay federal income taxes and then they would also be financing government policies.

I don't think that is what you mean but I'm not sure you mean by "finance government policies."
Citizen’s United. Dark money. Corporations are people.
 
Citizen’s United. Dark money. Corporations are people.

That can also be used by 5 million working class people who give $5 each. That $25 million is just as impactful as a rich guy who gives $25 million.

Money can't force people to vote against their interests or desired candidates and policies. If money was buying elections the same party/candidate would win every election; or, it means both sides are equally funded.

Which policy financed by rich white people were you against?
--stimulus money during the recession and pandemic
--government regulations mean to keep the virus from spreading
--development and financing the Covid vaccine
--current attempts to reduce reliance on fossil fuels and development of alternative energy sources
--forgiving student debt
etc.

If these are not policies supported by rich white people then rich white people don't control policies
 
That can also be used by 5 million working class people who give $5 each. That $25 million is just as impactful as a rich guy who gives $25 million.

Money can't force people to vote against their interests or desired candidates and policies. If money was buying elections the same party/candidate would win every election; or, it means both sides are equally funded.

Which policy financed by rich white people were you against?
--stimulus money during the recession and pandemic
--government regulations mean to keep the virus from spreading
--development and financing the Covid vaccine
--current attempts to reduce reliance on fossil fuels and development of alternative energy sources
--forgiving student debt
etc.

If these are not policies supported by rich white people then rich white people don't control policies
You and I will never agree on this issue from your points above. I’d rather the will of people giving $5 be implemented than the will of one individual giving $25 million. If you don’t understand the difference, then this discussion is over.
 
It's kind of fun, kind of sad to watch jokers like RB60 and NiftyNiblick BS each other for their separate failures to debunk or disprove the premise of the OP here. Suddenly nothing I say makes sense, I have no command of the English language, writing comprehension, etc., etc.

Yet like all those who fail to disprove my accurate exposure of their bigotry and latent fascist tendencies, they spend an ENORMOUS amount of time and effort attempting debate the issues.

Kind of psychotic that. If I come across posters as these two yokels describe, I just avoid them or ban them or put them on the ignore list for lengths of time. I don't hound them, like the aforementioned and their like minded brethren are want to do.

The OP stands valid, and these two jokers have proven so in the chronology of the posts to the rational, objective reader.

Now let's watch their next screeds. :cof1:


Let me explain why Taichiliberal is a stupid motherfucker who should be taken seriously by nobody with a three digit IQ.

I asked him to show how cultural diversity is a strength as compared to homogeneity in a democracy.

I had already conceded that we are diverse as a matter of fact and should strive to make it work
as well as possible for everybody.

Still, I suggested that there's no evidence to suggest diversity is a strength as opposed to a handicap.

Taich could have said that he wasn't interested in the subject.
He could have said that he honestly didn't know.
Both would have been perfectly acceptable answers.

Instead, he compared a hypothetically reformed America
to the America that exists now
as if that came within light years of addressing the topic.

If he wanted to show diversity as a strength,
he would have had to compare his hypothetically reformed America
to a predominantly homogeneous democracy.

Anybody of normal intelligence would have understood this.
Taich doesn't come close to meeting that standard.

Now he goes on to compare RB60, an archconservative,
to me, a democratic socialist.

The man is a hopeless idiot.
Every post of his confirms this to anybody with a modicum of mental acuity.
 
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