The general election scenario that Democrats are dreading

Bourbon said:
Trump press secretary Kayleigh McEnany has voted by mail 11 times in 10 years. For a week, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany has defended President Donald Trump’s assault on vote-by-mail, insisting, like her boss, that it invites election fraud.

But, also like her boss, McEnany has taken advantage of its convenience time and time again.

In fact, the Tampa native has voted by mail in every Florida election she has participated in since 2010, according to a Tampa Bay Times review of her voting history. Most recently, she voted by mail in the state’s March 2020 presidential primary, just as Trump did after he made Florida his new permanent home.
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
GDP growth under Trump is not booming compared to Obama.
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Obama's economic record on GDP:

2009 01 -4.42
2009 02 -1.5747
2009 03 1.4644
2009 04 4.4665
2009 Average = -.01595%

2010 01 1.5480%
2010 02 3.7394%
2010 03 2.9816%
2010 04 2.0228%
2010 Average = 2.57295%

2011 01 -.9583%
2011 02 2.8907%
2011 03 -.1111%
2011 04 4.7184%
2011 Average = 1.6349%

2012 01 3.1689%
2012 02 1.7319%
2012 03 0.5409%
2012 04 0.4563%
2012 Average = 1.4745%

FIRST TERM Average = 1.4166%

2013 01 3.5900%
2013 02 0.4945%
2013 03 3.1707%
2013 04 3.2314%
2013 Average = 2.6216%

2014 01 -1.0033%
2014 02 5.1106%
2014 03 4.9240%
2014 04 1.9008%
2014 Average = 2.7330%

2015 01 3.3317%
2015 02 3.3395%
2015 03 0.9639%
2015 04 0.4002%
2015 Average = 2.0088%

2016 01 1.5476%
2016 02 2.2817%
2016 03 1.9254%
2016 04 1.7618%
2016 Average = 1.8791%

SECOND TERM Average = 2.3106%

Obamunism Average = 1.8636%

http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/dat...ar/rgdp-qtrchg



Poor Richard Saunders said:
I should really vote for Trump because I am stupid.
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No; you should really vote for Biden because you are an uneducated moron. ;)
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
This isn't about the crashed economy. This is about the economy before the crash.

Even without the crashed economy, Trump did not have a "booming" economy compared to Obama. That is why I posted the numbers so you could see them. It appears you have to avoid looking at them or it will show your ideological thinking to be a lie.

Trump promised 4 % growth with his tax cut. Even with the tax cut, his economy could barely muster a 2% growth which is almost identical to the Obama economy.
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Obama's economy:

2009 01 -4.42
2009 02 -1.5747
2009 03 1.4644
2009 04 4.4665
2009 Average = -.01595%

2010 01 1.5480%
2010 02 3.7394%
2010 03 2.9816%
2010 04 2.0228%
2010 Average = 2.57295%

2011 01 -.9583%
2011 02 2.8907%
2011 03 -.1111%
2011 04 4.7184%
2011 Average = 1.6349%

2012 01 3.1689%
2012 02 1.7319%
2012 03 0.5409%
2012 04 0.4563%
2012 Average = 1.4745%

FIRST TERM Average = 1.4166%

2013 01 3.5900%
2013 02 0.4945%
2013 03 3.1707%
2013 04 3.2314%
2013 Average = 2.6216%

2014 01 -1.0033%
2014 02 5.1106%
2014 03 4.9240%
2014 04 1.9008%
2014 Average = 2.7330%

2015 01 3.3317%
2015 02 3.3395%
2015 03 0.9639%
2015 04 0.4002%
2015 Average = 2.0088%

2016 01 1.5476%
2016 02 2.2817%
2016 03 1.9254%
2016 04 1.7618%
2016 Average = 1.8791%

SECOND TERM Average = 2.3106%

Obamunism Average = 1.8636%

http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/dat...ar/rgdp-qtrchg
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
GDP growth under Trump is not booming compared to Obama.

quarters with GDP growth above 3.0
Obama - 9
Trump - 4

quarters with GDP growth above 3.5
Obama - 4
Trump - 0

quarters with GDP growth above 5
Obama - 2
Trump - 0

I guess, you think "smart enough" is someone being too stupid to actually check out the growth under Obama and Trump.
Average growth under Obama - 2% (That includes the inherited recession in January of 2009)
Average growth under Trump - 2% (And that doesn't include the projected 12% drop this quarter)
https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?reqid=19&step=2#reqid=19&step=2&isuri=1&1921=survey


OMG.. Trump managed to crank it up to what it was under Obama before he crashed it. I should really vote for Trump because I am stupid.
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you are going to have tp make a choice......either you don't count recovering what you lost as a net gain, or you do........if you don't you can't say Obama gained anything......if you do, you are going to have to credit Trump's next quarter as the largest gain ever made by any president ever.......choose wisely.......
 
Grajonca said:
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I think that there will be a V shaped recovery, which will be the Dems worst nightmare. They will also be reminded constantly that they were more interested pursuing a bogus trumped up impeachment instead of working with the administration. All they could see was a way to fuck Trump every which way till Sunday. Not only that but Pelousy seemed more interested in pork gobbling than preventing the economy going down the crapper.
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Nothing about the impeachment was 'trumped up' or 'bogus', you panting old queen.

Please be less of a whiny, dishonest pussy.
 
Darth Omar said:
The ‘great’ recession was actually pretty short and ended shortly after Obama took office. Obama presided over a 4-Ever recovery phase.

The economy was never booming like it was under Trump even though Trump got it cranking without taking 8 years to do it—and he will do it again, if voters are smart enough to vote economy-first.
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Sure pal. The recession lasted 19 months (the average is 22), and saw the greatest drop in GDP and the greatest rise in unemployment of any recession since the Depression. Obama fixed it. Trump went along for the ride.
 
Truth Detector said:
Obama's economic record on GDP:

2009 01 -4.42
2009 02 -1.5747
2009 03 1.4644
2009 04 4.4665
2009 Average = -.01595%

2010 01 1.5480%
2010 02 3.7394%
2010 03 2.9816%
2010 04 2.0228%
2010 Average = 2.57295%

2011 01 -.9583%
2011 02 2.8907%
2011 03 -.1111%
2011 04 4.7184%
2011 Average = 1.6349%

2012 01 3.1689%
2012 02 1.7319%
2012 03 0.5409%
2012 04 0.4563%
2012 Average = 1.4745%

FIRST TERM Average = 1.4166%

2013 01 3.5900%
2013 02 0.4945%
2013 03 3.1707%
2013 04 3.2314%
2013 Average = 2.6216%

2014 01 -1.0033%
2014 02 5.1106%
2014 03 4.9240%
2014 04 1.9008%
2014 Average = 2.7330%

2015 01 3.3317%
2015 02 3.3395%
2015 03 0.9639%
2015 04 0.4002%
2015 Average = 2.0088%

2016 01 1.5476%
2016 02 2.2817%
2016 03 1.9254%
2016 04 1.7618%
2016 Average = 1.8791%

SECOND TERM Average = 2.3106%

Obamunism Average = 1.8636%

http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/dat...ar/rgdp-qtrchg





No; you should really vote for Biden because you are an uneducated moron. ;)
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Indeed.

Thanks, TD.

Cohort:

"I love how democrats continually route against america and our success. awful people. I would never have wished for economic collapse with obama as president. democrats are sick".
 
Concart said:
Sure pal. The recession lasted 19 months (the average is 22), and saw the greatest drop in GDP and the greatest rise in unemployment of any recession since the Depression. Obama fixed it. Trump went along for the ride.
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It lasted about 18 months much like many of the other recessions we have seen. Thanks to Obamunsim, the suffering lasted for most of Obama's failed presidency. ;)
 
Earl said:
The president was exonerated, pende*o...forever.
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I know this troubles you right wingers. An impeached President cannot be exonerated. He is only removed from office or left in office. Even GOP Senators admitted that Trump probably committed the acts he was accused of.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you are going to have tp make a choice......either you don't count recovering what you lost as a net gain, or you do........if you don't you can't say Obama gained anything......if you do, you are going to have to credit Trump's next quarter as the largest gain ever made by any president ever.......choose wisely.......
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The next quarter is going to be end of June. It will be one of the largest losses ever. Current prediction is about 12% which is 40% annual loss.

How much the economy recovers in July, August is unknown. Recovery is pretty much a relative term. People that don't have their full time job back won't see it as a recovery. Most businesses will still be seeing reduced revenues. If we see a 12% drop, I doubt we will see more than a 10% gain. While large won't be the largest gain ever. (Although Trump will claim it is in spite of evidence to the contrary.)
 
Jack said:
It looks like summer may be a breeding ground for the Virus, and by September, October, all we will hear about is MORE DEATH.
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You're a real barrel of laughs these days, Jacqui. You live in a hot humid climate, exactly the weather that virus hates,so stop bloody worrying!
 
Darth Omar said:
The economy was never booming like it was under Trump even though Trump got it cranking without taking 8 years to do it—and he will do it again, if voters are smart enough to vote economy-first.
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The last time the economy was booming, Clinton was President. trump's 2.2% was not booming any more than Obama's 2.1%. That 2.2% was bought at an economy that started collapsing before Covid-19. Have you ever heard of all the S&P companies almost going technically bankrupt at the same time. There was no good reason for it. It did not even happen during the Great Depression.

The voters are voting tribally, so the economy is the least important to voters it has been in almost a hundred years.
 
Darth Omar said:
Smart people know Trump didn’t crash the economy—the virus and Fauci’s ‘guidance’ did that.
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The world is full of crashing economies, but Fauci is only in America, so we cannot blame Fauci for much. trump had crashed parts of the economy before Covid-19, and without the booms we expect before the bust.

Recessions are a natural consequence of growth, but trump did not give us strong growth. Recessions are good in some ways because they clear away the non-productive businesses... But trump has all businesses in America on the verge of collapse.
 
Walt said:
The last time the economy was booming, Clinton was President. trump's 2.2% was not booming any more than Obama's 2.1%. That 2.2% was bought at an economy that started collapsing before Covid-19. Have you ever heard of all the S&P companies almost going technically bankrupt at the same time. There was no good reason for it. It did not even happen during the Great Depression.

The voters are voting tribally, so the economy is the least important to voters it has been in almost a hundred years.
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Obama was getting a lot of love from the Fed, Trump wasn’t, and Trump was only three years in before the COVID Crash.

People were working good paying jobs under Trump like they weren’t under Obama. In fact, it was a workers market in many sectors.

I have no idea what Biden would do besides what other people tell him to do. I’m pretty sure he has literally no idea. Trump will continue to deregulate the economy and the economy will need all the help it can get after this.

If the Ocasio-Cortez crowd gets in Biden’s ear you can stick a fork in the American experiment.
 
Darth Omar said:
Obama was getting a lot of love from the Fed, Trump wasn’t, and Trump was only three years in before the COVID Crash.
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The Fed created money not to counteract deflation, but to give cash on hand to almost all the corporations in America. They had never done anything like that before. They did it back in September, well into trump's presidency, and before Covid-19. The Fed is now doing dozens of things they never would have considered when Obama was President.

Darth Omar said:
People were working good paying jobs under Trump like they weren’t under Obama. In fact, it was a workers market in many sectors.
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There was record low unemployment for both Obama through to trump. You would expect it to be a employee's market, but it was not. We did not see the inflation, or rising standard's of living that one would see from such low unemployment. Economists do not know why.
 
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