PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
how do you stand about assisting the poor of other lands to stay here illegally consuming goods and services dedicated to the poor who belong here legally?.......
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born
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how do you stand about assisting the poor of other lands to stay here illegally consuming goods and services dedicated to the poor who belong here legally?.......
Actually, there are current books written that Jesus was very political. It is why he was crucified by the Romans. He was considered a zealot. Interesting theory.
You cannot remove Jesus from his historical context.
Jesus was a radical teacher who thought the Kingdom of God was very near at hand - and it was therefore completely pointless to indulge in petty politics, accumulate wealth, acquire possessions, or practice occasional and insufficient piety.
While he is to be admired for his ethical teachings, Jesus was completely wrong about the Kingdom of God being close at hand. It has been two thousand years since he made that prediction.
We cannot remove Jesus from his historical context to suggest that he was philosophically arguing for separation of church and state merely on pure, undiluted principle.
Always remember "context of convenience", if it is not what they believe (not necessarily what they do), or suits their current state/predicament, it by it's nature is not in context.
So here we have those that have come here to mock & hate those to whom they feel morally superior, claiming themselves to be the final arbiters of truth..
Christ's execution HAD to be by the Romans, they were the ones "in office" so to speak. Christ submitted to the authority of the land while on earth.
NO, that is not true....... Sure, some do, just like some trump fans/conservatives hate them...
Some ppl just gotta hate, you know that........
And His Kingdom is still at hand. To God a thousand years can be a day and a day is as a thousand years.
Christ was apolitical. We are to obey our governments where we live, in so far that a law does not conflict with God's law causing us to sin against him.
She sure seems to talk a lot about about the law, legal this & that-& not the love, the peace & harmony etc etc etc
Could this be Legalism??
Poor earl is really just looking to be accepted, kinda sad really...
Kinda sad watching him suck up to other members only to soon be ignored again......
he claims to be smart, perhaps he is just a bit short on his social skills & will find his way~
She sure seems to talk a lot about about the law, legal this & that-& not the love, the peace & harmony etc etc etc
Could this be Legalism??
Our country has laws, You want lawlessness here?
They belong to what they think is an exclusive club, and they like to brag that the rest of us will never belong. Sadly, as you pointed out, the rest of us don't care. lol
Do your research & get back to me on that..
Isn't funny, or NOT, that you, who would deny bread to a poor orphan or poor window now wish to use them as your strawman against what Jesus commanded YOU DO.........
Perhaps you should read the OP again.
He threatened the status quo of the Jewish religious leaders. They convinced Pilate that He was a rabble-rouser who would get the Jews riled up against Caesar. That gave Pilate a good enough excuse to have Him executed.
Except of course if the law forbids you offering hospitality to strangers, aid to the poor, medicine for the sick -- then screw what Jesus said. lol
I'm sure you agree with these arrests.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/04/justice/florida-feeding-homeless-charges/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/10/scott-daniel-warren-migrants-food-water
You all might as well admit it. You don't love and follow Christ. You worship Trump.
Jesus was crucified, that was not an apolitical form of punishment, like Cypress said, you can’t take the story out of the times. Crucifixion was a statement, it was a warning.
Jesus Did Not Speak Out On Current Political Issues
There is nothing recorded in the New Testament about Jesus Christ speaking out against any of the political issues of His day. Nothing in His teachings gives even the slightest hint that He had any political involvement.
He Refused To Be Made King
In fact, Jesus refused to lead any political movement. He resisted when the people wanted to make Him king.
Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself (John 6:15).
Not To Tell Others He Was Messiah
When Jesus acknowledged that he was the Messiah, he did not allow his disciples to publicly tell others.
Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ (Matthew 16:20).
He Told No One To Tell Of His Transfiguration
Jesus told His disciples that they were to tell no one about his Transfiguration.
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead (Matthew 17:9).
Jesus Withdrew From Confrontation
Jesus also withdrew from confrontation with the religious rulers.
Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, warning them not to tell who he was (Matthew 12:15,16).
Jesus Did Not Incite The People Against Rome
Although Jesus did not incite the people against Rome, this was one of the charges brought before Pilate by the religious leaders.
But they insisted, "He stirs up the people all over Judea by his teaching. He started in Galilee and has come all the way here" (Luke 23:5).
Jesus Refused To Get Entangled In A Political Debate
Jesus refused to get into a debate about paying taxes to Rome.
Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away (Matthew 22:15-22).
Jesus Behavior Was In Contrast To False Messiahs
Jesus behavior was in contrast to some false Messiahs that preceded him. Scripture records some of these failed attempts.
For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census and drew away some people after him; he too perished, and all those who followed him were scattered (Acts 5:36-38).
Luke also records.
Then you are not the Egyptian who some time ago stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness? (Acts 21:38).
Jesus' Kingdom Is Not Of This World System
Jesus kingdom was not of this world system. Jesus told Pontius Pilate
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, my kingdom is not of this realm." Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice" (John 18:36,37).
Summary
Although Jesus was the promised Messiah, the one who could rightfully rule over Israel, He refused to become involved in any political issue of his day. We see this in a number of ways. Jesus refused to be made king; He told His disciples not to tell others that He was the Messiah and He also withdrew from confrontation with the religious rulers. In addition, He never incited the people against Rome. All of this was in contrast to false Messiahs. The reason He acted this way has to do with the nature of His kingdom - it was not of this world system.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_789.cfm
There is nothing recorded in the New Testament about Jesus Christ speaking out against any of the political issues of His day. Nothing in His teachings gives even the slightest hint that He had any political involvement.
He Refused To Be Made King
In fact, Jesus refused to lead any political movement. He resisted when the people wanted to make Him king.
Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself (John 6:15).
Not To Tell Others He Was Messiah
When Jesus acknowledged that he was the Messiah, he did not allow his disciples to publicly tell others.
Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ (Matthew 16:20).
He Told No One To Tell Of His Transfiguration
Jesus told His disciples that they were to tell no one about his Transfiguration.
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead (Matthew 17:9).
Jesus Withdrew From Confrontation
Jesus also withdrew from confrontation with the religious rulers.
Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, warning them not to tell who he was (Matthew 12:15,16).
Jesus Did Not Incite The People Against Rome
Although Jesus did not incite the people against Rome, this was one of the charges brought before Pilate by the religious leaders.
But they insisted, "He stirs up the people all over Judea by his teaching. He started in Galilee and has come all the way here" (Luke 23:5).
Jesus Refused To Get Entangled In A Political Debate
Jesus refused to get into a debate about paying taxes to Rome.
Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away (Matthew 22:15-22).
Jesus Behavior Was In Contrast To False Messiahs
Jesus behavior was in contrast to some false Messiahs that preceded him. Scripture records some of these failed attempts.
For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census and drew away some people after him; he too perished, and all those who followed him were scattered (Acts 5:36-38).
Luke also records.
Then you are not the Egyptian who some time ago stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness? (Acts 21:38).
Jesus' Kingdom Is Not Of This World System
Jesus kingdom was not of this world system. Jesus told Pontius Pilate
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, my kingdom is not of this realm." Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice" (John 18:36,37).
Summary
Although Jesus was the promised Messiah, the one who could rightfully rule over Israel, He refused to become involved in any political issue of his day. We see this in a number of ways. Jesus refused to be made king; He told His disciples not to tell others that He was the Messiah and He also withdrew from confrontation with the religious rulers. In addition, He never incited the people against Rome. All of this was in contrast to false Messiahs. The reason He acted this way has to do with the nature of His kingdom - it was not of this world system.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_789.cfm
Except of course if the law forbids you offering hospitality to strangers, aid to the poor, medicine for the sick -- then screw what Jesus said. lol
I'm sure you agree with these arrests.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/04/justice/florida-feeding-homeless-charges/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/10/scott-daniel-warren-migrants-food-water
You all might as well admit it. You don't love and follow Christ. You worship Trump.
Still flailing, eh? Didn't read all the posts on the subject so you repeat your ignorance still out of context on the topic.
I just explained. Crucifixion was the Roman way. It was simply the means of His physical death according to the law of the land.
No one TOOK His life. It was already prophesied that the Savior would come and GIVE His life freely as the final sacrifice for sin.
Do your research & get back to me on that..
Isn't funny, or NOT, that you, who would deny bread to a poor orphan or poor window now wish to use them as your strawman against what Jesus commanded YOU DO.........
Perhaps you should read the OP again.
Christ taught us (the Church, the body of believers) to care for the widows and orphans. We do that.
It's not up to the government to do.